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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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will assure host and we had some

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technical difficulties but we got them

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straightened out starting a few minutes

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late on had to create a whole different

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streams a long story but it's all fixed

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and just a little bit of housekeeping

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here last week we had a lot of Collins

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and with Robert Powell and because of

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that I've got a lot of email and I have

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to listen to my listeners basically what

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she is starting her own radio show on

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first show will be on Monday February

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11th at 7:00 p.m. Eastern Time and

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that's on the Hudson River radio and you

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calm so check that out Linda has always

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been a great guest and she I'm

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is gonna run a wonderful show so you may

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network all of you thank you all and we

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are ready to bring in allahabad did I

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talk about our guests I don't think I

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did oh my goodness

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Sam moranto repeat guests Amaranto will

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be on in just a bit right after

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Alejandro and Alejandro welcome to the

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show thank you very much it's great to

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be here glad to hear it

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I'm glad you made it boy it was a tough

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one tonight yeah yeah it gets

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complicated and sometimes these services

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we use do not participate with us well I

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found out what browser not to use oh

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yeah so anyway how's everything going

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everything is going good so lots of

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stuff going on I'm just right now

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writing up my review for the tonight's

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episode of Project Blue Book I know

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you've already seen it so we won't talk

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about that episode today but maybe we

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say that in the future so we don't do

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any spoilers but it's an exciting and

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interesting one that's for sure however

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you know just like we talked about this

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last week that the last project Bluebook

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show was really diverging from reality

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but what they did do was kind of

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incorporate these mythologies around

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UFOs last times the episode was about

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you know kind of the the Nazis and Nazi

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technology type of stuff that may have

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been brought over here by German

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scientists when they were essentially

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brought here from Germany as part of

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Project Paperclip which was the name of

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the show so they do at least touch upon

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those things however yeah does diverge

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from reality and and I guess I'll say

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even though the title of this this

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tonight's episode is Foo Fighters you

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may agree and I'd like to hear your

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opinion they don't come any closer back

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to reality in this next episode they get

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pretty pretty far out there yeah I do

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remember that I do remember that but

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they I think as the show moves on I

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don't think they're all gonna be out

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there you know and I hope I hope people

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don't the hardcore people don't leave

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and because it is really a great show

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overall you know so I hope they come

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back yeah you know I think it's it's

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exciting it's getting I guess more

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x-file a-- show though it's getting kind

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of dark and yeah you know Karen had had

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said something she just said I hope that

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you know people just don't blow it off

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as oh you know I thought the show would

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reveal something that there was some

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kind of real mystery to UFOs but it's

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actually just all make-believe just like

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UFOs are and hopefully it doesn't

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reflect bad on that but I'm not so sure

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it is because we are seeing certainly in

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the media a lot more stories on UFOs and

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Sam could speak to this I know I had

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someone in in the Illinois Chicago area

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but they're all writing about these and

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we've talked about it before sightings

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in their local areas and we're seeing a

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lot of these stories so it's definitely

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created an interest in the topic I

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believe I think that that along with of

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course the New York Times article from a

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year or so ago and some of those

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developments are really pushing kind of

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this newfound interest in credible

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information regarding UFOs and that

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least the History Channel is writing

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some good stories we regarding all of

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this in fact they've got a great story

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on Foo Fighters that you can find on the

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History Channel website right now and

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you to support you know tonight's show

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so check that out but actually there's a

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different story that I'm finding

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extremely interesting that I wanted to

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talk about today great

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all right ready so you probably saw this

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one in fact I think we talked about it

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but it's this astronomer Harvard

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astronomer that says that the Washington

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Post hide

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and the stories getting all over the

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place Harvard's top astronomer says an

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alien ship may be among us and he

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doesn't care what his colleagues think

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and it's an interesting story so this

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astronomy professor's name is Abby Loeb

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and he has I guess his calculation that

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he calls cosmic modesty or this is what

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he calls cosmic modesty and that what he

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says is that the idea that it's arrogant

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to assume we are alone in the universe

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that's what his cosmic modesty is or

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even a particularly special species and

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which I think it's really interesting

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and I love this idea to begin with

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because in nature we see that there

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isn't one of something there's many many

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many many many many of something in fact

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when it comes to planets we're finding

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out that there's tons of planets out

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there perhaps even more planets than

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Suns which would then equal kind of like

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his equation goes into that were not so

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special and unique I think what's

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interesting about that is if you take

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that even further than this whole level

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of technology that we have gotten to or

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even our social economical kind of

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makeup probably also isn't unique or

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even a species that is beginning to

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become spacefaring isn't necessarily

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unique so he really pushes us forward

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however he is the guy that was really

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pushing the idea that isn't that it's

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mysterious is by its movement they're

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able to determine you know kind of the

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makeup of the object in this case the

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object move in a manner that they could

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not explain it the way that it would

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gravity affected it it seemed lighter

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than a typical rock so it was made of a

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lighter material also it seemed I guess

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it sped up at some point so the idea is

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that perhaps the way that the Sun hit it

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you know I was able to propel it at that

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time faster than it could be that's kind

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of the leading theory but this guy's

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saying no that doesn't seem right either

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so it's got to be extraterrestrial he's

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suggesting you know it's like an

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extraterrestrial a technology that was

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sent into our solar system to come take

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a look and then keep going like I said

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some of his colleagues are like well he

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doesn't mean it

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and that's essentially what they're

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saying that someone suggested well he

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could be putting this forest as kind of

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an exercise because that's often what

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professors do to teach you know how you

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theorize and how you prove or disprove

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theories other people are saying perhaps

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he's joking or it's just kind of funny

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cuz of a lot of it he's got this guy is

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super credible he's very well-known he's

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written a lot of papers and so he can't

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he's so credible they can't really call

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him a nut so they're just kind of trying

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to come up with excuses as to why he's

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doing this but it's really interesting

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it does seem at least right now he is

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very at least adamant that there's got

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to be extraterrestrial civilizations

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there's got to be other species like us

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more advanced in us out there and that's

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one of the reasons he loves this idea

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that this could have been evidence of

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that but what's great is we're seeing a

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lot of this there's another story out

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there recently with another scientist

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saying that we need to take you know the

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idea that we might be being visited

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seriously there is a paper written by

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this Columbo scientist who who gotten

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the news also where he was essentially

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saying the same thing that okay maybe

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we're not being visited right now but if

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there is a potential for that if we find

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something odd we can't discount that

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offhand we have to leave that in the the

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potential possibilities out there before

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we just say you know it can't be this

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because that's not scientific science

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you have to disprove it before you can

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not include it definitively so right

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well hey I really appreciate you picking

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up the mantle here well and had it the

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strange thing happened as my computer

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screen went black

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then it just was gone I've never had

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that happen before it's a late model man

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I think it's the government after

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tonight it's Sam it's Sam I think Sam's

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gone so before you leave why don't you

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hang in there make sure I get them back

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okay because I think we lost them in the

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crash here so I will I will see the

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crash of 2019 yeah that's right oh and

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now I have to figure out all right

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KTR he's getting him on the line but I

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just got to say you know this is just a

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really exciting time when we have this

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government program that's come out you

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know there was a behind-the-scenes

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evolution that that happened here when

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Lou Elizondo first came out that he had

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worked for this discover mint program

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investigating UFOs his colleagues

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weren't happy about it and we know this

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at least through through George nappa

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who hasn't been investigating all of

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this many of his colleagues weren't

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happy about it and they weren't

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necessarily on board with you know these

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revelations however that's changed where

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his colleagues eventually have kind of

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accepted it they were just you know like

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Harry Reid I said the whole reason that

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this program was kept secret is it's the

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scrutiny they didn't want people to say

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hey what the hell are you guys doing you

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know looking for UFOs or aliens and

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stuff like that but that's changed we

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have seen through Nick Pope's

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articles or through other people that

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we've interviewed close to this that the

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Congress has had part of their

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subcommittees have been interviewing UFO

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witnesses and in interviewing Lou and

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others related to you know what's been

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going on with this phenomena let alone

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we've had a lot more media stories and

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then on top of that we have the

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scientists being more accepted of the

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extra-terrestrial hypotheses and I think

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one thing we have to remember and it is

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part of this evolution is that the

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search for extraterrestrial

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Institute kind of as it was represented

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in contact

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they were just gonna listen for signals

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of aliens possibly being out there and

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that used to be considered fringe it was

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really strange and weird like in the 80s

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or in the 90s and as time went on

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because that organization is so full of

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scientists it began to be taken very

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very seriously until we've reached this

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point where NASA essentially is like a

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SETI Institute they're all about looking

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for aliens many of their projects have

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been looking for life so that idea that

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they're out there has been adopted and

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and become you know not weird or funny

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or worse than giggling about UFOs have

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had a harder time of it but now we're

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starting to get to a point where even

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the idea that extraterrestrials could be

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visiting us or we could be having

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observing evidence of advanced

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civilization just now starting to become

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more accepted it could be not that only

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that we have more credible information

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coming forth that's why I think it's

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important that people like you know

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Martin and Martin's guests share

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credible information but it's also I

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think that you know a lot of these grad

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students who work on these papers are

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younger people and the statistics show

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that younger people are really into this

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topic they are more into UFOs and more

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accepting of the possibility or even

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have taken it as fact that there's got

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to be others out there and so that could

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be part of why this is happening but

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we're writing this crest of where public

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opinion about was something that we've

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worked on is changing and I think it's

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interesting and you know with people

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like Sam moranto who's been doing these

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sorts of investigations for decades the

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landscape has changed so much and

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Martin yes it looks like yeah I'm still

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on oh you're still here trying to get

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Sam back on on the show okay yeah okay

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so maybe I'll ask again

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no and is there anything any other

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you know the head that doesn't seem to

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be a lot of UFO incidents happening

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lately besides of you know you mentioned

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one but I've have noticed it seems quiet

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am I not you know am I just not seeing

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them as much I agree with you there I

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totally agree what it is interesting

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that we haven't had a lot of stories

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about UFO sightings recently we've had

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stories about recent sightings we've

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seen a lot of stories in the media about

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UFOs and UFO sightings but typically

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they're talking about well for instance

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a lot of them are talking about 2018

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since it's January or now it's February

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but in I think because it's January a

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lot of people review the previous year

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so we had a lot of 2018 sighting reports

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stories but not about necessarily

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individual sightings when it comes to

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individual sightings we've had a few but

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nothing of note and I know some people

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will argue that they disagree but really

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a lot of what we've seen have it's been

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the type of you know birds and bees and

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solar balloons and balloons and nothing

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really strong or interesting

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unfortunately in fact even this case in

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Utah do you remember that one where this

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drone captured something zipped by very

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quickly and a lot of people have

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analyzed that and I think proven pretty

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handedly including you know our go-to

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guy Mark Dantonio who's the MUFON video

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and photo expert that it was a bird

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swooping in on the drone which makes

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sense movements bit

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they even got some stills at that seem

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like that seems to be the answer for

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that one so yeah no mysterious really

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great sightings recently that I'm aware

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of and that you know I've been thinking

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about that a lot lately it's interesting

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that we have this kind of resurgence and

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I was asked recently on Brian Eno his

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show oh yeah

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Paul you know yeah Paul and Ben their

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show and and you know that haven't been

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recently some really great sightings

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even though we have this kind of bigger

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interest in the topic so

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it I think that's that's odd yeah

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alejandro i don't know if there's

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another subject you can speak of but i'm

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going to try to dial through to sam it's

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going to take a few minutes so let's see

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can you go ahead and talk about your

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Thursday night livestream show I really

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enjoy that okay well I talked a lot

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about news

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so my Thursday livestream show of course

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here well I guess we're probably in that

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broadcasting not YouTube right now yeah

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oh we are okay so it's here on YouTube

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kind of like this show where I do a live

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show it's every Thursday evening 6 p.m.

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Arizona time and I say Arizona time

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because we don't change with daylight

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savings so right now we're aligned with

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Mountain otherwise in the summer were

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aligned with Pacific but essentially I

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covered the news in more depth and some

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of the stories that I write so kind of

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like these reviews have been doing on

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Project Blue Book I go into detail about

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some of the stories that are related to

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these episodes that I include in the

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links and also the actual Blue Book

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files what I think is interesting is

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I've read other reviews and I haven't

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seen any other reviews except for mine

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actually where that referenced the

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actual Blue Book stories and give you

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links to them to see the files

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themselves because it's hard to tell

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from the television show certainly

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what's real and what's not and some of

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the more interesting points are aspects

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especially of those sightings that were

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covered in the first few episodes are

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really fascinating and you can find

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pictures or details in the project

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Bluebook files another really important

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I think this is the number one in most

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important book in ufology is Captain

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rappels book so Edward rappelled

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essentially and I think this is an

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interesting part of history and he

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documents this in his book the Air Force

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in the early 50s was not when it came to

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UFOs was not seen in a positive light

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that's because in 1948 the very first

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UFO investigation that went on project

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sign there was a paper written estimate

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of a situation that concluded

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UFOs could be extraterrestrial in nature

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of course they outlined a few things

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these could be but they they said some

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are genuine mysteries and this could be

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a possibility

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general Vandenberg didn't like that idea

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he said try again ripped up the paper

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report and essentially wanted to take

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that part out because he didn't feel

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that that was there was enough evidence

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to support that so then became project

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grudge what's interesting is that

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project names are supposed to be chosen

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randomly and supposedly they are but

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grudge seemed to fit because by this

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time the Air Force really seemed to have

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a grudge against the whole phenomena and

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they really worked hard to debunk

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everything older cases current cases and

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so even scientists began to not want to

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deal with the Air Force or even people

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in the Air Force didn't want to send

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cases a blue book because they knew even

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if they had an interesting case that

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blue book would say oh it's not this or

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it's not that

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in fact Project Blue Book covered one of

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the cases and I think it was the Gorman

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case in the first episode I can't

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remember for sure but essentially what

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had happened was that the object was

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caught on radar and the radar guy sent

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into blue book hey this is not weather

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phenomena it was not some sort of

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weather messing with our radar this was

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an object that we saw moving in a

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strange manner they send this into Blue

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Book being very clear and repelled says

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he saw this report and it was obvious

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that they were afraid that Blue Book

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would explain it away and sure enough

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they still explained it went oh no this

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has to be weather even though those

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radar people explicitly said they check

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that that was not the issue but it

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demonstrated why this angst and

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frustration was having with Blue Book so

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they wanted roof health to come take a

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look and say well what should we do at

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this point and rappelled said we've got

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a bad reputation this is not good for us

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we really need to genuinely investigate

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these things and they said okay thanks

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go for it and they put him in charge he

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only did this for about a year or so and

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then he retired and he wrote a book

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about his experience in Project Blue

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Book

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and it's a great book it's got some very

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very credible cases and I really feel

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it's the most important book in this

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field and you can find that book for

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free on the night cap website but just

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Google Rupe help estimate of a situation

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of the situation you can find it and

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read that book several super fascinating

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cases in there and that book is really

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what's being used largely by the Project

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Blue Book creators and writers to put

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together these episodes so really that

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book you're gonna read the truth of all

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of the background of all of this so

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that's something really interesting to

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look into and so a lot of my stories the

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roots are from there you know my you and

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I had conversation once about that book

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and I mentioned that that I said that I

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didn't have that book well someone was

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went into a library one of my listeners

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went into a library actually in Phoenix

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and they found the book and sent it to

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me

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a wonderful hardcopy yeah but did they

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check it out of the library and then

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send it to you I'm in I'm sorry a

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bookstore oh that is a library oh boy

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yeah there are several outlets yep I'm

546
00:24:02,650 --> 00:23:59,570
reprinting it so you can't find it on

547
00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:02,660
Amazon and in fact in all of my videos I

548
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:04,550
put a link to it on the bottom because I

549
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:06,230
have some of my favorite books link

550
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:09,710
there so you can go buy them but and I'd

551
00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:11,690
recommend them all but that one's really

552
00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:14,390
important I think because it establishes

553
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:16,280
from the get-go and this is something

554
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,050
I've been saying and it's certainly

555
00:24:24,820 --> 00:24:21,440
borne out in recent revelations

556
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:24,830
especially related to you know Elizondo

557
00:24:30,130 --> 00:24:27,440
and his group that at the DoD in

558
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:30,140
investigating UFOs but it's never been

559
00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:33,170
that there's been a consensus I mean I

560
00:24:37,390 --> 00:24:35,750
think the US Air Force PR department has

561
00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:37,400
worked very hard to say oh yeah we

562
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,710
looked at UFOs there's nothing to it and

563
00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:42,320
we and it's kind of a unanimous decision

564
00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:45,620
but that's never been the case there's

565
00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:48,620
always been arguing within the Air Force

566
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:51,860
as to the nature of the phenomena and I

567
00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:53,330
think we see that

568
00:24:58,150 --> 00:24:56,390
that especially with the revelation

569
00:25:01,000 --> 00:24:58,160
surrounding the nimitz case which are

570
00:25:03,850 --> 00:25:01,010
you covered in depth in that these

571
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:03,860
people of course since 2004 have felt

572
00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:05,570
that they really experienced something

573
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:07,550
anomalous and now that they're able to

574
00:25:11,170 --> 00:25:09,080
come out about it they're talking about

575
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:11,180
it so that proves you know and

576
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:12,680
demonstrates there has been these

577
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:14,530
conversations within the Air Force

578
00:25:21,070 --> 00:25:18,320
despite you know us not knowing that and

579
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,080
none of that really very little of it I

580
00:25:24,790 --> 00:25:22,880
should say coming to light

581
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:24,800
I shouldn't say none because there are

582
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:26,660
researchers who have been able to

583
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,450
interview military witnesses in the last

584
00:25:35,140 --> 00:25:32,480
few decades even during really all of

585
00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:35,150
this really hard secrecy I don't know if

586
00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:36,590
Sam has that would be interesting he's

587
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:38,840
done so much work I'm sure he has but

588
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:41,690
one example of that would be you know

589
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:43,160
that the scientific Coalition for

590
00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:46,010
ufology and their investigation of the

591
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:49,220
homeland security video from 2009 or for

592
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:51,050
Puerto Rico where these guys you know

593
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,750
saw something in mysterious and they

594
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:55,760
sought the group of these UFO

595
00:26:00,220 --> 00:25:57,770
researchers to investigate it right

596
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,230
alejandro again i really appreciate you

597
00:26:04,450 --> 00:26:02,240
really helped out a lot tonight and no

598
00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:04,460
remodeling my pleasure all right all

599
00:26:07,390 --> 00:26:06,230
right now i'll talk to you next week all

600
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:07,400
right talk to you later all right

601
00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:08,530
bye-bye

602
00:26:13,630 --> 00:26:11,270
alright everyone our guest is sam

603
00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:13,640
moranto he has been on this show a

604
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:16,790
number of times he's always he actually

605
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:19,310
helped me out with the show at one time

606
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:22,910
did a couple of UFO news segments and

607
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:24,710
it's always great talking to him I

608
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,810
consider him a good friend and he's back

609
00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:29,360
and just what we're speaking of earlier

610
00:26:33,670 --> 00:26:32,390
just a minute ago about the Nimitz case

611
00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:33,680
just one more thing I wanted to add

612
00:26:39,790 --> 00:26:36,200
about that on March 19th I will have

613
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,800
Kevin day he was the radar the chief

614
00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:42,320
officer and the we're looking the radar

615
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:45,470
that saw all those objects on the nimac

616
00:26:50,050 --> 00:26:48,590
case Nimitz case and he he and I had a

617
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:50,060
conversation last night he said he was

618
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:51,200
going to try to get a couple more

619
00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:53,990
tic-tac witnesses to join the show again

620
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:57,020
that's March 19th I'm not saying that's

621
00:27:00,760 --> 00:26:58,190
going to happen I'm gonna say I'm

622
00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:00,770
hopeful that's going to happen and we'll

623
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,950
see if it indeed does all right so our

624
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:06,080
guest via phone we had all kinds of

625
00:27:08,770 --> 00:27:06,710
trouble

626
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:08,780
and every which way possible Skype you

627
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:10,370
name it but I got him here on the phone

628
00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:12,850
as Sam moranto welcome to the show

629
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:15,080
boy have we've gone through quite a few

630
00:27:19,570 --> 00:27:17,450
hurdles today honey I missed something

631
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:19,580
else I think we started a half hour

632
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:22,250
before the show too and and still yeah

633
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:24,130
it's trouble f2 trouble but anyway

634
00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:27,350
you're here Aloha jewel-covered oh yes

635
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:29,660
oh my god holla honcho and you covered

636
00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:32,030
tons of ground and I was wishing you

637
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,380
would actually stay on but that'd be

638
00:27:39,010 --> 00:27:35,600
kind of impossible for us to all talk

639
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:39,020
but maybe I don't know this whole

640
00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:43,310
Bluebook phenomena is really getting

641
00:27:48,910 --> 00:27:46,340
people interested that were neither on

642
00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:48,920
the fence or even in the arena anyway

643
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:51,260
whatsoever they were watching other

644
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:51,890
things

645
00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:54,950
no listen they're watching this so we've

646
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:57,350
discussed this many times over and you

647
00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:58,970
always took the position and they

648
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,130
applaud you for it saying that they're

649
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:03,200
know something good will come out of it

650
00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:07,670
as far as getting people interested yep

651
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:10,520
yeah I do I do think so you know I mean

652
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:12,110
a lot of there's been a lot of critics

653
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:16,100
as you know for project Bluebook this

654
00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:19,910
series and that is almost to be expected

655
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:22,780
but but anyway you know there there is

656
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:25,070
good coming out of it as well like you

657
00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:28,760
say full of the listener that we have a

658
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,440
lot of first-time listeners can you give

659
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,440
them your background and and what gets

660
00:28:37,150 --> 00:28:35,120
you I know you had a sighting when you

661
00:28:40,270 --> 00:28:37,160
were young but can you give the Nuala

662
00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:40,280
sure it's a nutshell of who sam moranto

663
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:44,270
is well I'm just a regular guy don't

664
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:46,370
have any acronyms back of my name's if

665
00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:48,530
they're they're they're typos it's just

666
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:51,830
experience and you know it's I've I've

667
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:53,450
had personal experience with these

668
00:28:59,470 --> 00:28:56,840
things and again because of that I have

669
00:29:02,830 --> 00:28:59,480
to probably be more objective when it

670
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:02,840
comes to analyzing a case and that may

671
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:05,480
play out to be sounded sometimes far

672
00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:07,910
more skeptical but never cynical and I

673
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:10,220
think that plays out well across the

674
00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:15,110
board before to be taken seriously so my

675
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:17,990
first experience I was a little guy up

676
00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:20,300
at my uncle's cottage

677
00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:22,760
and being a little kid running all over

678
00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:24,560
the place he had just put her new well

679
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,870
in and I had to find out how deep it was

680
00:29:31,030 --> 00:29:28,640
so I'm dropping stuff down there and

681
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:31,040
he's yelling at me and I'm like oh well

682
00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:33,290
I gotta go hide summers and do something

683
00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:37,550
else go in the backyard and I'm standing

684
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:41,270
there pitching some rocks across the

685
00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:44,090
water by a lake and this was just a

686
00:29:48,850 --> 00:29:46,670
little Inlet and all of a sudden this

687
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:48,860
bright object comes flying past my

688
00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:52,610
shoulder I was very warm after that I

689
00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:55,190
remember that and it went up behind a

690
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:55,700
tree

691
00:30:03,820 --> 00:30:02,240
my aunt was calling me she said for some

692
00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:03,830
time she couldn't find me and it was

693
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:06,860
dark out when all this came together it

694
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:08,690
scared the heck out of me didn't know

695
00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:11,450
what was going on so that was my first

696
00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:13,790
experience with something that was truly

697
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:15,980
anomalous in the sky and it could be

698
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,240
called a UAP UFO or whatever but as a

699
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:23,360
kid one day I woke up again all this I

700
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:25,730
was young I heard my father talking

701
00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:27,710
about something all excited in the

702
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:30,140
kitchen I walked into the kitchen and

703
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:31,790
there he is he's telling the story about

704
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:33,770
going by one of his students he was a

705
00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:36,170
music teacher and he actually made house

706
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,900
calls and he went to the house the wife

707
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:41,600
said come on in Sam you got to go in the

708
00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:43,940
backyard but the boys are looking at

709
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:44,900
something in the sky

710
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:47,210
so they get out there and and he would

711
00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:48,980
they were amateur astronomers and they

712
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:51,680
said Sam you know what we've seen some

713
00:30:58,330 --> 00:30:55,760
UFOs my dad goes what are UFOs and they

714
00:31:00,040 --> 00:30:58,340
end up giving him a magazine a couple of

715
00:31:00,670 --> 00:31:00,050
books and they gave me the adventure of

716
00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:00,680
a lifetime

717
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:03,680
mm-hmm so that's what started out for me

718
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:08,690
well now my first involvement as far as

719
00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:10,790
doing investigative work was in the 80s

720
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:13,400
I was doing it by myself and then there

721
00:31:21,220 --> 00:31:17,510
was a case of 1997 funny thing is it was

722
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:21,230
the same year of course as the may 13th

723
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:24,350
sighting in Phoenix which was 19 Marvin

724
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:26,690
Marquette we had March yes

725
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:30,530
March 13th and there was a this one was

726
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:34,020
earlier that year and

727
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:38,090
was in New Lenox all the way north

728
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:41,310
through Oran Park that this object was

729
00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:44,010
seen was seen by a lot of people but the

730
00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:46,560
one individual that really really made

731
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,230
the news was a pilot and I heard about

732
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,080
him when I was coming home from Crystal

733
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:55,440
Lake I turned on the radio and he was

734
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,270
talking about this sighting was all over

735
00:32:02,840 --> 00:31:59,820
the news so I made it a point to see him

736
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:02,850
and then after that I met up with a

737
00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:06,330
gentleman from loofah and so we all got

738
00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:09,150
involved and working on things and after

739
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,280
that it was one thing after another

740
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:13,320
you know so I don't know how many years

741
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:15,960
it's been a long time okay right right

742
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:20,370
and and you actually were the go-to for

743
00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:22,620
a couple of cases people really looking

744
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:26,160
into and we we can talk about them and a

745
00:32:31,790 --> 00:32:29,580
little bit here but one of them that you

746
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:31,800
were really involved in I remember for

747
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:34,770
quite a while was the Tinley Park Mass

748
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:36,660
sightings you I remember you telling me

749
00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:39,330
you loved mass sightings because of all

750
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:41,670
the war yes math sightings yes man

751
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:44,010
sightings really when you lay out the

752
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:46,890
weight of a case the more people you

753
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:48,990
have especially if it's a cut across the

754
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:51,930
demographic of a community and from

755
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:54,810
various vantage points it really adds

756
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:56,940
value to a case because you could be

757
00:33:02,300 --> 00:32:59,250
looking at the same object at the same

758
00:33:04,580 --> 00:33:02,310
time but from your vantage point you're

759
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:04,590
seeing something entirely different and

760
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:06,810
so when you get a well-rounded view of

761
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,240
what's going on you get a better idea

762
00:33:14,180 --> 00:33:11,880
and that was a perfect example with the

763
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:14,190
Tinley Park case the Tinley Park case

764
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:17,250
you have the three lights in the sky and

765
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:19,170
that's all they're seeing is these three

766
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:20,970
points of light and three points of

767
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:22,890
light could be anything but these were

768
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:26,910
so brilliant and and so unusual they

769
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:28,520
hovered they rotated counterclockwise

770
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,570
and actually at times even moved very

771
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,580
quick almost hyper leaping from one

772
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:37,740
point to another than going straight up

773
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:42,090
that this was strange because they never

774
00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:46,140
broke the signature of being like my

775
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:47,520
sossel ease

776
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:49,290
they tell that it was just a matter of

777
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:52,710
your perspective and we knew that by

778
00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:54,300
looking at the footage and here's a

779
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:57,150
perfect scenario we have thousands of

780
00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:57,809
witnesses

781
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:01,559
hundreds of absolute very least and then

782
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,679
we have multiple sets of footage from

783
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:06,480
different vantage points

784
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:10,560
I personally reviewed over 13 videos and

785
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,530
I know there's at least 25 out there I'm

786
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,080
sure there's more than that and when you

787
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:19,679
when you analyze it and not only I can

788
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:22,669
analyze that multiple people analyzed it

789
00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:27,470
that was part of the second series of

790
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:30,750
UFO Hunters so that was analyzed very

791
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:33,540
well and they played it back and forth

792
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:36,750
and they and the bottom line is they are

793
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:39,540
a fixed and time space so if they're not

794
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:43,080
on a object there is something in there

795
00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:46,730
holding it in time place though we know

796
00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:50,190
people have seen an actual object when

797
00:34:55,849 --> 00:34:52,710
they were directly underneath that very

798
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:55,859
cloaked into the sky and actually

799
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,720
displaying when you got directly

800
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:00,480
underneath almost like a canopy of stars

801
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:04,920
above so it was whatever technology is

802
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:08,460
it is it's pretty cool and I would like

803
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:10,710
to think it's ours I don't know because

804
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,010
the darn thing was massive it could have

805
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:16,859
well have been you know quarter of a

806
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:19,650
mile even bigger than that who knows it

807
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:22,290
was big so where do you house something

808
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:24,810
like that the other thing is that object

809
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,350
has been seen in multiple locations not

810
00:35:35,570 --> 00:35:31,200
just Tinley Park and during that period

811
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:35,580
of time on the August 19th we had in

812
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:38,280
Minneapolis st. Paul a sighting of an

813
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,650
object stationary in the sky for at

814
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:42,960
least nine hours or more and it sat

815
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,290
there at about 30,000 feet in the air

816
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:48,240
and it just anther all day and to the

817
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:49,890
points that people coming in from

818
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:52,290
Wisconsin were seeing a turn red at

819
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:55,500
night and then it disappeared now now

820
00:36:00,740 --> 00:35:58,260
that wasn't a weather balloon in fact

821
00:36:01,370 --> 00:36:00,750
Peter Davenport received that report and

822
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:01,380
he

823
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:11,369
and ufology for many great cases and I

824
00:36:18,469 --> 00:36:14,849
applaud the man right but he had he had

825
00:36:21,049 --> 00:36:18,479
these these these these people calling

826
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:21,059
in about Minneapolis and we were led a

827
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:22,470
yearn about it did you ever hear about

828
00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:25,049
the Minneapolis sighting number 19th no

829
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,190
precursor yeah and then that night in

830
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:32,160
Arizona there was a there were multiple

831
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:34,140
sightings and there are two sets of

832
00:36:41,299 --> 00:36:38,160
footage from one being north and one

833
00:36:44,269 --> 00:36:41,309
being south in the Phoenix area of an

834
00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:44,279
object very large object very unusual

835
00:36:49,759 --> 00:36:47,339
sittings still in the sky and a 30 mile

836
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:49,769
an hour wind further south the wind

837
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:51,569
wasn't as bad but still it was pretty

838
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:54,180
bad and there's a triangular object

839
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,130
sitting in the sky ders there's video of

840
00:37:02,989 --> 00:36:59,119
that the configuration of the

841
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:02,999
eliminations moving in a uniform pattern

842
00:37:10,279 --> 00:37:07,170
you know motion so that was on the 19th

843
00:37:12,799 --> 00:37:10,289
our first sighting here was on the 21st

844
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:12,809
of August but there were sightings all

845
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:14,729
around the world within that period of

846
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,329
time in August August was a very strange

847
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:20,640
month it was also the month that we

848
00:37:29,959 --> 00:37:24,660
first got the first landfall of one of

849
00:37:31,819 --> 00:37:29,969
13 hurricanes in the Caribbean so that

850
00:37:35,289 --> 00:37:31,829
was a strange year we never had that

851
00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:35,299
many hurricanes that were that powerful

852
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:41,579
in that area the other thing is 2004 we

853
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:43,079
end up with the Sumatra earthquake

854
00:37:48,319 --> 00:37:47,099
tsunami that was on on Christmas so I

855
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:48,329
mean a lot of weird things were

856
00:37:53,209 --> 00:37:51,450
happening in 2004 the other thing about

857
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:53,219
the Tinley Park case and this is

858
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:55,710
something I keep on forgetting about

859
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,940
telling you is the Nimitz tick-tack

860
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,640
sighting was the 10 to the 14th they

861
00:38:07,249 --> 00:38:05,160
were seeing him dole has mentioned that

862
00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:07,259
the month prior within that period of

863
00:38:12,289 --> 00:38:10,499
time they were also getting incursions

864
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:12,299
and other reports and there things

865
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,970
picked up on the radar so wasn't just

866
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:17,280
then but that was when it seemed to a

867
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:21,230
peaked and that would have been November

868
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:24,870
the 10th of the 14th and here our last

869
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:27,090
mass sighting in Tinley Park and in

870
00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:30,570
other places was October 31st Halloween

871
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:33,600
ten days afterwards all this excitement

872
00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:37,230
on them around the nimitz Lee Sam you

873
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:40,590
mentioned that there are some videos of

874
00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:43,740
the Tinley Park incident is that

875
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:45,780
actually available someone can actually

876
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:48,930
find those videos online or where they

877
00:38:53,060 --> 00:38:51,990
are they available anywhere to look okay

878
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:53,070
you could yes

879
00:39:02,030 --> 00:38:59,280
look up there would be UFO Hunters it

880
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:02,040
would be episode 201 and it's called

881
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:07,230
invasion Illinois you could see them

882
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:10,230
analyzing the footage I'm sitting there

883
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:13,320
talking about it whatever then there's

884
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:15,630
also the I don't know if you could still

885
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:16,850
find it anymore

886
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:21,570
MSNBC Dateline we did a I got a call

887
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:22,980
from them they want to do something on

888
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:27,090
UFOs but they wanted to ten best cases

889
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:28,770
they really wanted it something with

890
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:30,900
with photographic evidence of video

891
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:34,130
evidence so I had mentioned X number of

892
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:37,800
cases and I pointed them to some

893
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:39,480
individuals and then of course I

894
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:41,640
certainly Park which they knew they knew

895
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:44,010
nothing about Stevensville at that time

896
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,020
when that came out they they knew out

897
00:39:51,610 --> 00:39:48,480
Stevensville to some degree yet there

898
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:51,620
was really no video for Stevensville

899
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:54,450
where Tinley Park has video multiple

900
00:39:59,600 --> 00:39:57,930
sets of video so the thing is that too

901
00:40:02,570 --> 00:39:59,610
could be out there somewheres and it was

902
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:02,580
called I think was ten best encounters

903
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:06,690
it was MSNBC I remember that yeah yeah

904
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,090
and they did oh they did a real

905
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:12,000
interesting job cutting it up and and

906
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:14,610
you know funny thing was it was shot by

907
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:19,320
by some folks that are doing some doing

908
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,210
some big things right now as far as some

909
00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:24,720
reproduction but it was done or MSNBC

910
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:28,230
and I sat there in the hot seat until I

911
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,980
said the word

912
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:31,140
extraterrestrial because I usually don't

913
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,190
say the e word and I sat there and I

914
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:37,140
thought I was going to melt and tilting

915
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:40,200
they have all these questions when is he

916
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:41,640
going to say the e word is what it comes

917
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,450
down to it I said I said this long

918
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:47,220
sentence qualifying what I thought this

919
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,220
could be a long sentence and in there

920
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:52,440
was extra streel and when you hear it

921
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:54,390
that's all you hear is me saying

922
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,310
something about extraterrestrial I do

923
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:58,380
mean anything on the cutting floor they

924
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:01,560
edited it out those are sound and I know

925
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:04,950
the rest of the sentence oh yeah and

926
00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:06,930
then the other thing is they kept on

927
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:09,990
they kept under it they didn't we always

928
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:13,070
started out I had one of the witnesses

929
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:15,570
with me in fact one of the key witnesses

930
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:21,090
and has some great footage and every

931
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:22,530
time we would start a sentence we'd

932
00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:25,130
always say the red lights we qualify

933
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:27,990
what it was the color and everything

934
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:30,780
never never did they do that they only

935
00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:34,170
showed the very burnt out images where

936
00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:35,580
you couldn't even see that there is

937
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:39,150
anything red in there and I remember one

938
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:40,890
of the so-called skeptics making the

939
00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:43,320
statement that they even thought it was

940
00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:47,190
a it was a celestial it was a

941
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:49,830
constellation which would have been the

942
00:41:57,590 --> 00:41:53,270
at you know in the summer triangle dnad

943
00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:57,600
Altair and Vega and this cracks me up

944
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:00,030
because if it was the earth would have

945
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:01,320
been spinning because this thing's

946
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:05,160
moving around and we'd be dead thank God

947
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:08,760
it wasn't you know yeah but no they

948
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:10,950
didn't they didn't even probably get to

949
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:12,540
see the footage better or have at least

950
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:14,910
some explanation to what they're saying

951
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:17,460
these things were red but so intense

952
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,280
that we need with what the camera picked

953
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:22,950
up did note no justification whatsoever

954
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:25,430
to what they were actually saying none

955
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:29,760
well we we have just about a minute or

956
00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:31,260
so and we're going to be going into a

957
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,220
break I just wanted to bring up that

958
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:37,320
speaking with both James Fox and Travis

959
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,920
Walton he did an episode of UFO chasing

960
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:42,720
UFOs that James Fox it was

961
00:42:49,099 --> 00:42:46,980
a short-lived series and they both but

962
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:49,109
mostly Travis Walton was very upset at

963
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:51,090
what they did with the cutting the

964
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:54,599
editing you know he said the whole story

965
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:56,760
completely changed with what they did

966
00:43:01,580 --> 00:42:58,410
with the editing and he was really

967
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:01,590
really upset about it and yeah they came

968
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,320
very upset and James when he was gonna

969
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:07,020
come on my show the last time he said we

970
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:08,550
really don't have to bring that up if he

971
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,890
if you don't want to other words you

972
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:13,380
don't have to talk about chasing UFOs so

973
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:17,190
we're ready to go into break Sam so hang

974
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:19,530
in there everyone we'll be right back

975
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:34,670
okay we are clear for a few minutes and

976
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:36,930
Sam we're still we're still live on

977
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:41,130
YouTube and by God so so that's right

978
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:43,560
we'll pick up you know where we were

979
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:45,830
talking then but let's talk about

980
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:47,850
something different have you lived in

981
00:43:51,790 --> 00:43:49,410
other places in the country you mostly

982
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:51,800
you have lived in the Chicago area right

983
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:54,690
yes yeah well I lived anywhere as I went

984
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:56,610
as long as I was dead yeah but I mean

985
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:00,780
yeah not that I was born on the south

986
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,300
side of Chicago and that's it ya know

987
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,400
yeah you know I don't do much traveling

988
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:07,920
anyways as you know that's why I get

989
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:10,380
invited anywhere to speak to a

990
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:13,770
tupperware group but in in the Khitan

991
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:16,380
see I don't care if they're paying the

992
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:18,150
airfare I go and I talk and they don't

993
00:44:22,610 --> 00:44:19,800
even have to pay me just give me a

994
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,620
sandwich or whatever I do it and we do

995
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:25,680
we just uh today we have 55 degrees here

996
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:28,110
in Maine up here on the coast but we had

997
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:28,530
cold

998
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:34,470
it oh yeah you were in there okay I have

999
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:37,530
a CI monitor said identify it the sunny

1000
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:39,870
that I was taking pictures in the

1001
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,510
morning it was negative 22 that's

1002
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:44,400
without the wind chill but then my

1003
00:44:48,740 --> 00:44:46,110
sister called me up and shows up in

1004
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:48,750
Galena and I think was negative 36

1005
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:51,090
without the windchill and then a buddy

1006
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:53,850
of mine up in Wisconsin his was he said

1007
00:44:59,720 --> 00:44:57,000
it was close to 40 without the

1008
00:45:02,180 --> 00:44:59,730
windshield so I'm like my gosh yeah yeah

1009
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:02,190
we were down in Springfield I told you

1010
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:04,950
we went yes this folk at that paranormal

1011
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:08,610
was very nice but the hotel we get there

1012
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:11,130
they had busted pipes and then the hotel

1013
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:13,740
next door had busted pipes I'm like my

1014
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:15,750
gosh they go oh it was horrific down

1015
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:18,150
here they're not they're not used to

1016
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:20,940
this you know for their sound they're

1017
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:23,640
not used to it and neither are we

1018
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:25,560
yeah the plumbers will be busy for a

1019
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:28,760
long time in the hole Midmark yeah oh

1020
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:33,480
yeah yeah no no I just I don't know 55

1021
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:35,670
degrees for you guys that's that's Wow

1022
00:45:40,850 --> 00:45:38,850
yeah and speaking of warm weather I'm

1023
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:40,860
going to be I'm gonna be on the road the

1024
00:45:44,420 --> 00:45:42,150
next couple weeks this is for the

1025
00:45:45,150 --> 00:45:44,430
listeners so I will be doing the show

1026
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,160
from

1027
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:47,440
for the next couple of weeks and I won't

1028
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:49,960
have all my audio and up to snuff

1029
00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:53,170
that'll be it'll be pretty good so so

1030
00:45:58,620 --> 00:45:56,230
Sam we you know we got about well we're

1031
00:46:02,940 --> 00:45:58,630
closing in on like 30 40 seconds here

1032
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:02,950
and so good this is the only break that

1033
00:46:11,819 --> 00:46:06,130
we're going to be taking yeah we got

1034
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:11,829
about a minute left and so we actually

1035
00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:13,630
met in person in a couple of times this

1036
00:46:18,329 --> 00:46:16,180
last summer when I was in Chicago which

1037
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:18,339
I do go to Chicago quite a bit but it

1038
00:46:22,019 --> 00:46:19,750
was great when we were out in the warm

1039
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:22,029
weather out in Phoenix and that was

1040
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:24,609
lovely to be out there in February few

1041
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:27,250
years ago when you were there we had a

1042
00:46:32,999 --> 00:46:29,650
blast it wasn't it fun a great time

1043
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:33,009
great time alright I think we are just

1044
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:35,980
about ready to go back here in a minute

1045
00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:40,150
oh we still got 40 seconds left

1046
00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:44,920
and so as far as the area out there when

1047
00:46:51,509 --> 00:46:48,940
you are working with MUFON are you are

1048
00:46:55,499 --> 00:46:51,519
you still taking cases it to this day

1049
00:46:57,089 --> 00:46:55,509
oh yeah I mean as a general rule estate

1050
00:47:00,120 --> 00:46:57,099
drift is not supposed to take any sort

1051
00:47:02,249 --> 00:47:00,130
of cases but I end up taking some the

1052
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:02,259
other highly sensitive ones that you

1053
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:04,690
know you really got to watch what you're

1054
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:05,500
saying and doing

1055
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,049
I handle those or work in conjunction

1056
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:11,440
with my assistant director usually it's

1057
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:14,680
it's usually the two of us and we've had

1058
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:17,740
some great cases I'll talk about one in

1059
00:47:22,289 --> 00:47:20,950
particular when I get a chance and give

1060
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,299
you a little more detail about it I

1061
00:47:27,029 --> 00:47:24,880
think I I mentioned it then we get to

1062
00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:27,039
more interesting ones lifted type things

1063
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:28,660
we're gonna have to roll right back into

1064
00:47:42,809 --> 00:47:34,329
the show yep we're ready sure you can

1065
00:47:45,269 --> 00:47:42,819
count down alright is okay welcome back

1066
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:45,279
to the show my guest is Sam moranto and

1067
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:49,210
we are talking UFOs out in the Chicago

1068
00:47:54,769 --> 00:47:51,369
area we took a Jag and we're talking

1069
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:54,779
about what happens on the editing floor

1070
00:48:01,049 --> 00:47:56,710
when

1071
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:01,059
that's pretty funny they left the

1072
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:05,529
extra-terrestrial word in there and yeah

1073
00:48:12,299 --> 00:48:08,410
and I understand it it's one you want to

1074
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:12,309
avoid at all costs because you know it

1075
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:15,250
it is what a lot of people assume but

1076
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:18,430
you know and I know no one really really

1077
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:21,369
knows it's just a it's just a guess one

1078
00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:24,010
of the guesses that's all yeah

1079
00:48:27,329 --> 00:48:25,960
and that's fine because that's what

1080
00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:27,339
science wants we're not looking for

1081
00:48:32,789 --> 00:48:30,520
proof in science proof is in law alcohol

1082
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:32,799
and math what we're looking for is a

1083
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:35,950
decent set of hypotheses that could

1084
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:38,020
probably move up to a theory and then

1085
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:40,210
you know that's great you know and they

1086
00:48:45,569 --> 00:48:41,950
could take it from there and to do that

1087
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:45,579
you need evidence and most of what we

1088
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:48,490
get are anecdotal accounts that's what

1089
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,740
my math sightings are so wonderful it's

1090
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:53,200
not just one person's word it's another

1091
00:48:58,319 --> 00:48:56,470
person hopefully independent and from

1092
00:49:00,750 --> 00:48:58,329
another perspective seeing the same

1093
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:00,760
thing simultaneously for relatively

1094
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:04,390
close and in time and we can tie all

1095
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:06,430
together and get and get some supportive

1096
00:49:13,799 --> 00:49:10,930
evidence now when you have photograph

1097
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:13,809
video or if you're blessed but something

1098
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:15,880
is wonderful physical trace evidence and

1099
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:17,770
this is something a lot of people don't

1100
00:49:22,829 --> 00:49:20,140
understand there are thousands of cases

1101
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:22,839
of physical trace evidence we had a case

1102
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:25,529
in southern Illinois that we did collect

1103
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:29,170
hopefully something turns out of it you

1104
00:49:33,089 --> 00:49:30,670
know turns up good but there were

1105
00:49:35,370 --> 00:49:33,099
samples taken and we may have had may

1106
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:35,380
have physical trace evidence so this

1107
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:38,260
these things do take place the notion

1108
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:40,390
that you know we need the ashtray that

1109
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:42,970
Neal's always looking for yeah you don't

1110
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:46,210
need an ashtray maybe if you know if

1111
00:49:49,289 --> 00:49:48,490
that's what he wants but that's not

1112
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:49,299
scientific

1113
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:53,650
what we need is evidence and we need to

1114
00:50:00,990 --> 00:49:58,390
evolve the anecdote by using non a

1115
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:01,000
better way of assessing a better metrics

1116
00:50:08,010 --> 00:50:05,460
and less arbitrary and an ambiguous

1117
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:08,020
evaluation and terminology so that

1118
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:10,510
people can understand regardless who

1119
00:50:15,390 --> 00:50:12,910
that's looking at the information they

1120
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:15,400
take the data points take all that put

1121
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:17,170
it together and guess what you have

1122
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:21,010
something of value but you know we're

1123
00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:21,730
getting there

1124
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:24,700
and it's slow but but it it takes with

1125
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:26,830
that first step even if it's been 50

1126
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:29,230
years it doesn't matter or 70 years

1127
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:34,000
we're trying and being the always

1128
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:36,930
referred to as you know

1129
00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:39,630
pseudo-scientific

1130
00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:43,540
it all starts at sudo before it becomes

1131
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:47,080
legitimized and it's also exactly you

1132
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:50,830
know everything else was an idea you

1133
00:50:56,550 --> 00:50:54,010
know right it's always a POC recei yes

1134
00:50:59,370 --> 00:50:56,560
and then they're saying oh speculation

1135
00:51:02,340 --> 00:50:59,380
speculation is the first step in science

1136
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:02,350
you have to speculate and you try to go

1137
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:05,050
outside your comfort zone you test that

1138
00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:07,750
you know oh there's so many failures yes

1139
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:10,120
you you're gonna have the failures you

1140
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:13,930
learn from the failures and so many of

1141
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:15,430
these things the so-called skeptics

1142
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:17,650
bring up and they're not being skeptical

1143
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:19,720
and not being scientific some of them

1144
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:22,180
are very good and and the other thing is

1145
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:23,530
you should listen to him regardless

1146
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,660
because there's always something and

1147
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:27,790
nugget of something in there that you

1148
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:28,420
can learn from

1149
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:30,790
I don't discount these people at all as

1150
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:34,140
you know but in the same token you

1151
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:37,450
really want to give get people a pat on

1152
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:40,120
the back that are at least trying to

1153
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:42,280
bring this information forward it's not

1154
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:44,560
going to be perfect heck with this unit

1155
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:46,690
but we're trying and on a name we're

1156
00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:49,180
trying yeah yeah that's right that's

1157
00:51:53,310 --> 00:51:49,870
right

1158
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:53,320
I promised to everyone that we would

1159
00:51:58,590 --> 00:51:56,590
talk about the O'Hare case I know you

1160
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:58,600
and I have spoken briefly in the past

1161
00:52:03,630 --> 00:51:59,400
about it

1162
00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:03,640
but I still think it's and it's it's an

1163
00:52:07,830 --> 00:52:05,350
interesting case and I don't think it's

1164
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:07,840
what you would call a closed case

1165
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,230
because eventually people may start

1166
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:12,880
talking we may get more information

1167
00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:18,100
about that you're 100% correct a special

1168
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:20,560
inaudible entire or they leave the

1169
00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:22,970
airline business

1170
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,230
but why don't you for the person that's

1171
00:52:32,180 --> 00:52:28,260
not familiar with that I know it was I

1172
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:32,190
think it was 2006 same year I had like a

1173
00:52:42,339 --> 00:52:36,660
Barbara sighting yeah that was November

1174
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:42,349
the 7th 2006 after 4 o'clock from 4:15

1175
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:45,710
by gate c-17 was right above gate c-17

1176
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:49,770
and a couple individuals were loading up

1177
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,770
a plane that was going to be pushed back

1178
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,300
- no one out - it looks going to North

1179
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:56,940
Carolina at that time they seemed

1180
00:53:02,089 --> 00:53:00,119
something below the ceiling clouds and

1181
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:02,099
it was sitting there and nothing should

1182
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:04,530
be sitting there it was odd you know

1183
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,690
here's this strange object just sitting

1184
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:09,000
there it's Class B airspace nothing

1185
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:10,730
should be in there without a transponder

1186
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:14,310
so mind you this is just X number of

1187
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:18,690
years five years after 9/11 people are

1188
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:20,970
very concerned about anything like that

1189
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:26,070
any violation of infringement on you

1190
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:28,770
know on airspace or something like that

1191
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:32,700
so they called their manager because

1192
00:53:36,829 --> 00:53:34,470
they wanted to file a safety report

1193
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:36,839
there and you're like what is this they

1194
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:38,310
wanted people take a look at it

1195
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:40,680
pilot copilot we're also taking a peek

1196
00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:44,339
at it they saw the manager came down

1197
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,080
sure enough comes out there and there it

1198
00:53:51,250 --> 00:53:49,200
was well before you know it it's got

1199
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:51,260
that being talked about on the radio

1200
00:53:59,980 --> 00:53:56,339
throughout the the airport and personnel

1201
00:54:04,599 --> 00:53:59,990
regardless if they're taxing you know

1202
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:04,609
747s or whatever they're seeing it in

1203
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:08,520
there was one there was a a group of

1204
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:11,910
people were two guys taxing seven seven

1205
00:54:17,890 --> 00:54:15,750
seven and trip to seven and they saw it

1206
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:17,900
and they listened to other people

1207
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:20,310
talking and in fact this guy you could

1208
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:23,160
hear his uh if you go to youtube you get

1209
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:24,990
a bunch of stuff on on the O'Hair

1210
00:54:31,609 --> 00:54:28,170
sighting and and the thing about the

1211
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:31,619
O'Hare case is why they had to keep it

1212
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,900
quiet so many people this is a mass

1213
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,180
sighting - but they had

1214
00:54:42,819 --> 00:54:38,280
it's quiet because February of that year

1215
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:42,829
the American UAL just came out of

1216
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:45,300
bankruptcy they here so they may not

1217
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:47,490
want it have been known as being the

1218
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:49,619
extra-terrestrial Airlines that's a

1219
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:50,490
possibility

1220
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:53,970
Wow the other thing is it isn't that

1221
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:55,770
crazy it was the largest bankruptcy at

1222
00:55:00,920 --> 00:54:58,980
that time you had mentioned that well

1223
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:00,930
now that people are starting retired

1224
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,200
they may be coming forward had that

1225
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:07,260
happen I was giving a talk at some group

1226
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,740
up north and guy says you know I want to

1227
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:13,440
talk to you afterwards okay so he goes I

1228
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:16,980
used to work as a manager he had a very

1229
00:55:23,299 --> 00:55:20,130
good position and he was working that

1230
00:55:25,579 --> 00:55:23,309
day but where he was working at would

1231
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,589
not allow him to see what was going on

1232
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:27,839
but he heard all the chatter in the

1233
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:33,050
radio and the end result is he goes and

1234
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:37,710
he goes and and and tells me that he was

1235
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:39,930
talking to his friend who was on the B

1236
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:43,770
concourse and he was telling him what

1237
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:46,230
was going on describing exactly what

1238
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:48,750
he's saying and without so much as a

1239
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:52,770
doubt this was there it was an object it

1240
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:54,690
was below the ceiling of cloud which is

1241
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:57,660
about 1,900 feet at that time and it was

1242
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,680
at about 1514 1,500 feet it was summer's

1243
00:56:06,859 --> 00:56:03,960
between no less than 30 feet to as big

1244
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:06,869
as 88 feet is what they're figuring out

1245
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:10,740
as far as the NAR Kappa reporting and

1246
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:13,380
that is a good read if you want to get

1247
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:14,970
some information know more about the

1248
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:18,240
case vote in our cap dot org look up the

1249
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:21,059
technical paper number 10 and read

1250
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:21,750
through it

1251
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,930
and you'll hear the data in there you

1252
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:26,880
get this nonsense people saying always a

1253
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:28,980
little tick Euler cloud and lenticular

1254
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:30,930
clouds only form on the leeward side of

1255
00:56:36,859 --> 00:56:35,040
a mountain ring of a mountain yes you've

1256
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:36,869
seen them mm-hm and and they're

1257
00:56:43,220 --> 00:56:39,750
beautiful the and nothing like that

1258
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,230
whatsoever was going on the other thing

1259
00:56:47,780 --> 00:56:45,359
is the the weather to support something

1260
00:56:49,470 --> 00:56:47,790
like that Wichita Kansas would have been

1261
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,480
the closest place had

1262
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,280
anything resembling the type of winds

1263
00:56:56,340 --> 00:56:54,000
that you would have to have to have

1264
00:56:59,490 --> 00:56:56,350
lenticular clouds because you can get

1265
00:57:01,740 --> 00:56:59,500
them at times in the Midwest here we get

1266
00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:01,750
them but they're very rare better it's

1267
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:02,920
usually at the leeward side of a

1268
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:07,630
mountain so that was a bunch of malarkey

1269
00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:09,369
the other thing is the object shoots

1270
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:11,560
while they're watching it they're

1271
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:13,690
watching it for about 20 minutes this

1272
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,260
thing just goes straight up in the air

1273
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:19,359
real fast in a blink leaves a gaping

1274
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:21,609
blue hole all the way through the

1275
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:26,040
approximately 6000 feet of cloud ceiling

1276
00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:30,720
boom instantly well it can't do that

1277
00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:34,270
instantly with a lenticular cloud they

1278
00:57:38,849 --> 00:57:36,340
don't do that I never heard of anything

1279
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:38,859
like that then you have people saying

1280
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:40,990
well it's just ice crystals that

1281
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:43,180
formulate and drop down and I've seen

1282
00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:47,530
that at least twice one time was on i-55

1283
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:50,830
I'm driving along and here you see this

1284
00:57:57,210 --> 00:57:55,210
burst of obviously something coming out

1285
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:57,220
of the clouds and you see this round

1286
00:58:02,730 --> 00:58:00,400
blue hole well first of all you see this

1287
00:58:06,740 --> 00:58:02,740
falling out you'll see it looking like

1288
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:06,750
Oh looking like very feathery looking

1289
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:10,510
fanned out crystals of ice almost like

1290
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:12,910
snow that heavier and it'll punch a hole

1291
00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:14,890
and that's when you have a vortex of of

1292
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:18,280
cold air spinning above and and and

1293
00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:22,900
it'll in that area just gets the

1294
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,600
humidity up there it becomes crystals it

1295
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:27,760
falls you can't hold himself no longer

1296
00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:29,530
and it falls straight through and that

1297
00:58:34,650 --> 00:58:31,990
makes sense but the bottom line that was

1298
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,660
it what happened we had the top of this

1299
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:37,359
where the coldest area was that could

1300
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:39,250
formulate that was about ten thousand

1301
00:58:43,859 --> 00:58:41,650
feet these were about the the highest

1302
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:43,869
levels that ceiling was about six

1303
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,530
thousand feet maybe even less so none of

1304
00:58:52,410 --> 00:58:49,119
this took place and they were saying

1305
00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:52,420
well it's the lights reflecting up no it

1306
00:58:59,640 --> 00:58:54,460
was and I believe what civilian it was

1307
00:59:01,859 --> 00:58:59,650
yeah it was civilian Twilight so I mean

1308
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:01,869
no no it wasn't it some lights were on

1309
00:59:06,299 --> 00:59:03,430
but not everything and

1310
00:59:09,319 --> 00:59:06,309
weren't reflecting up that heavily so

1311
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:09,329
that's all nonsense now did he

1312
00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:12,250
they someone I think I heard it

1313
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:15,160
described as it was almost like a black

1314
00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:15,940
in color

1315
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:18,220
it was very dark am I getting that right

1316
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:23,470
and imperfectly circular it was okay

1317
00:59:29,549 --> 00:59:25,690
picture this the ratio was two point

1318
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:29,559
seven to one as far as the width to the

1319
00:59:35,339 --> 00:59:31,750
length they were using a ratio of two

1320
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:35,349
point seven to one so it was you know

1321
00:59:41,309 --> 00:59:38,520
like the tic-tac concept of a fact

1322
00:59:43,859 --> 00:59:41,319
football something along that line but

1323
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:43,869
it was more litical and round as far as

1324
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:47,940
the different in in the center so it was

1325
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:50,579
and it was moving in a counterclockwise

1326
00:59:57,930 --> 00:59:54,250
direction my first witness that I spoke

1327
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,940
to was a military brat who grew up on

1328
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:00,240
the East Coast her father was a

1329
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:04,329
commander of a oh is captain of a Air

1330
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,190
Wing for the Navy she knew every proper

1331
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:11,920
term to describe things so when she was

1332
01:00:17,789 --> 01:00:14,650
analyzing it she was analyzing it with a

1333
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,799
really high degree of scrutiny and the

1334
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:19,839
other thing was she was also an X

1335
01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:23,290
reporter so she knew how to compile this

1336
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:26,740
information and explain it to us now

1337
01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:29,200
what is great where did she what did she

1338
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:32,740
actually view the object from two

1339
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:35,470
vantage points coming in on Manheim Road

1340
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,180
towards the airport she was able to

1341
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:40,480
discern it below the clouds with her as

1342
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:42,430
a passenger was front of hers was a

1343
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:44,770
doctor from Bulgaria and they were in

1344
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:46,990
the process of meeting a friend who was

1345
01:00:52,289 --> 01:00:50,049
a airline pilot from another Airlines

1346
01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:52,299
coming in at the international concourse

1347
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:55,329
so they're driving in both of them see

1348
01:00:59,880 --> 01:00:57,130
this they're like what on earth is that

1349
01:01:01,650 --> 01:00:59,890
that's not supposed to be there so when

1350
01:01:04,349 --> 01:01:01,660
they pulled up to the International kind

1351
01:01:06,569 --> 01:01:04,359
of course she got out and took her

1352
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:06,579
reading glasses bentham at an angle so

1353
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:07,510
she could see it better

1354
01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:10,240
trying to get her her view as best as

1355
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,900
possible

1356
01:01:15,089 --> 01:01:12,880
and she said while she was pulling up

1357
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:15,099
other people were out there and then

1358
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:16,450
they were starting to congregate

1359
01:01:20,110 --> 01:01:17,310
pointing at it

1360
01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:20,120
and people were taking photographs

1361
01:01:26,780 --> 01:01:23,300
definitely and possibly even video

1362
01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:26,790
definitely so she was there and then she

1363
01:01:31,580 --> 01:01:28,440
says when this thing shot through the

1364
01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:31,590
sky or the clouds excuse me that that

1365
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:33,300
you could have heard them

1366
01:01:39,290 --> 01:01:35,220
I heard the noise that they like

1367
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,300
squealed a ghast they were alarmed at

1368
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:42,240
its the motion that it was was so

1369
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:46,260
instantaneous and the one-sheets finally

1370
01:01:51,380 --> 01:01:49,170
talked to her her pilot friend who got

1371
01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:51,390
off the plane and we need got off his

1372
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:54,180
plane he was being greeted by security

1373
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:56,370
asking him if he had seen anything up

1374
01:02:00,290 --> 01:01:57,660
there and he had no idea what they were

1375
01:02:02,540 --> 01:02:00,300
talking about then when he got to the

1376
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:02,550
car and she told him what they saw she

1377
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,310
goes he goes and says oh my god you have

1378
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,440
to come forward with this because there

1379
01:02:14,420 --> 01:02:10,140
are people out there with video and in

1380
01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:14,430
camera stills or whatever and they're

1381
01:02:18,830 --> 01:02:17,220
leaving going to different countries you

1382
01:02:22,610 --> 01:02:18,840
want to get on the internet and get the

1383
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:22,620
information out so she did because she

1384
01:02:27,290 --> 01:02:24,540
knew people in the the international

1385
01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:27,300
concourse were definitely taken pictures

1386
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:30,270
assumedly other locations which was

1387
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:32,310
correct pictures were being taken by

1388
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,730
other people pictures were submitted the

1389
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:37,740
one in particular she said look most

1390
01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:42,480
like it was submitted but because we

1391
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:44,190
didn't have a chain of evidence we

1392
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:47,010
didn't know who gave it we didn't have

1393
01:02:51,350 --> 01:02:49,650
the original anything as far as to

1394
01:02:54,110 --> 01:02:51,360
examine everything to camera everything

1395
01:02:55,580 --> 01:02:54,120
else but it's just an illustration

1396
01:02:59,120 --> 01:02:55,590
that's the best you're gonna get

1397
01:03:03,020 --> 01:02:59,130
so it's supportive in that sense and we

1398
01:03:06,730 --> 01:03:03,030
were working under doctor dr. Haines oh

1399
01:03:09,470 --> 01:03:06,740
yeah everything from Richard Haines and

1400
01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:09,480
he's very rigid as far as what you could

1401
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:11,340
do what you know as far as laying out

1402
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:13,410
what we were going our each each one

1403
01:03:17,810 --> 01:03:16,140
over assignments were pretty much spelt

1404
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,820
out what we were going to be doing and

1405
01:03:26,330 --> 01:03:20,880
what we're looking at and there were

1406
01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:26,340
nine of us or more involved and to tell

1407
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:28,320
you what it's a good paper it's a very

1408
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:31,410
good white paper and to this

1409
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:33,000
day of course we can't say it's

1410
01:03:38,059 --> 01:03:35,609
extraterrestrial but I tell you what

1411
01:03:40,819 --> 01:03:38,069
damn weird and it falls into the

1412
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:40,829
category of a UFO right I would say I

1413
01:03:47,380 --> 01:03:44,250
would think so now the FAA at the time

1414
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:47,390
they were tight-lipped about this and

1415
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:51,049
recently while I had Tyler rogue away on

1416
01:03:57,319 --> 01:03:54,799
who was discussing he is a journalist

1417
01:03:59,450 --> 01:03:57,329
aviation journalist and he was

1418
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,460
discussing how easy it is to deal with

1419
01:04:04,569 --> 01:04:01,200
the art the FAA

1420
01:04:09,799 --> 01:04:04,579
I almost said IRS well it's tax season

1421
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:09,809
he he was dealing with the FAA and they

1422
01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:13,920
were very cooperative and I found that

1423
01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:16,200
strange and this was about the topic of

1424
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:20,579
UFOs and so well it may be to him they

1425
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,280
were I don't know yeah that I did I did

1426
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:25,680
ask him if he thought anything had to do

1427
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:29,039
with you know what he does he was unsure

1428
01:04:36,019 --> 01:04:33,510
about that but but that being said I

1429
01:04:38,839 --> 01:04:36,029
believe it's possible that they are

1430
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:38,849
loosening up a little and I think you

1431
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:41,220
know the stories like what came out in

1432
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:42,839
the New York Times you know over a year

1433
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:45,750
ago has helped loosen that that whole

1434
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:48,089
thing up a little bit as far as the the

1435
01:04:56,089 --> 01:04:52,130
rigidness of the FAA and I'm wondering

1436
01:04:58,940 --> 01:04:56,099
if they would be what could be

1437
01:05:02,750 --> 01:04:58,950
approachable I'm not just saying you

1438
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:02,760
know maybe not just the FAA but have

1439
01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:07,140
people tried to do FOIA requests you

1440
01:05:12,609 --> 01:05:09,720
know Freedom of Information Act requests

1441
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:12,619
for documents or any information

1442
01:05:20,660 --> 01:05:17,640
regarding this incident yes and they got

1443
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:20,670
of course dr. Haynes had had received

1444
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,569
multiple packets of radar data the funny

1445
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:25,920
thing is radar data can only be

1446
01:05:29,299 --> 01:05:27,210
retrieved within a certain period of

1447
01:05:33,849 --> 01:05:29,309
time they reuse the tapes which is

1448
01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:33,859
strange especially when it comes with a

1449
01:05:40,099 --> 01:05:36,299
episode like this would they me use it I

1450
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:40,109
find that out but either way he did get

1451
01:05:44,839 --> 01:05:42,480
the radar data that came in and

1452
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:44,849
intervals and didn't come in all at once

1453
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:45,420
sure

1454
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:49,440
then and again the evaluation of that

1455
01:05:54,110 --> 01:05:52,770
really left it you know up in the air

1456
01:05:56,330 --> 01:05:54,120
though they feel there was something

1457
01:05:59,380 --> 01:05:56,340
definitely there there were some other

1458
01:06:02,300 --> 01:05:59,390
things noted in some of the radar data

1459
01:06:08,570 --> 01:06:02,310
further to the west of the airport which

1460
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:08,580
I don't think was painting of clutter or

1461
01:06:12,770 --> 01:06:11,250
anything like that or migratory in fact

1462
01:06:15,650 --> 01:06:12,780
that's what I looked into his migratory

1463
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:15,660
insects and birds for that but that was

1464
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:17,910
not within the scope of the

1465
01:06:23,540 --> 01:06:20,280
investigation it was centered around

1466
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:23,550
gate c-17 that time period that was it

1467
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:25,800
though we did take a peek at something

1468
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:27,930
else and ruled out that it wasn't birds

1469
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:29,610
or insects so there are other things

1470
01:06:34,550 --> 01:06:32,220
being painted but that wasn't the scope

1471
01:06:34,550 --> 01:06:34,560
of the investigation

1472
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,550
I mean Masson was coming in that day at

1473
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:40,020
six o'clock and he said do you think

1474
01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:44,790
they were coming there to see me I know

1475
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:47,160
Michael is that amazing he came in at

1476
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:49,050
six o'clock he goes yes came in at six

1477
01:06:55,730 --> 01:06:53,220
o'clock no but you know was the first

1478
01:07:00,530 --> 01:06:55,740
time we had something weird like that

1479
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:00,540
but I what's interesting about working

1480
01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:03,660
on cases like this other people come out

1481
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:04,950
of the Woodworks you hear different

1482
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:07,110
stories one gentleman came forward he

1483
01:07:15,140 --> 01:07:10,130
says I was working at the Northwest

1484
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,150
Northwest orient the building over there

1485
01:07:20,330 --> 01:07:17,520
which is basically used by American

1486
01:07:23,420 --> 01:07:20,340
Airlines I think her yeah or United

1487
01:07:25,310 --> 01:07:23,430
possibly for maintenance on planes they

1488
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:25,320
taxi the planes there and they maintain

1489
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:27,960
them they empty the toilets whatever and

1490
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:29,310
that's what he did he was the honey

1491
01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:32,880
truck driver and he worked the night

1492
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:35,460
shift the end results is this guy's out

1493
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:38,130
there one night and it was a beautiful

1494
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:42,510
evening they had they actually decided

1495
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:44,160
to do some barbecuing because the

1496
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:46,200
weather was good he said he was even

1497
01:07:52,310 --> 01:07:48,690
wearing shorts it was April it was very

1498
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:52,320
temperate and so while he's there all of

1499
01:07:58,700 --> 01:07:55,770
a sudden a UFO shows up and he drew this

1500
01:08:01,550 --> 01:07:58,710
thing I have a picture of it and it went

1501
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:01,560
across the tarmac everybody just stopped

1502
01:08:06,250 --> 01:08:03,930
and stared at this thing and it went

1503
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:06,260
right across the tarmac took off and

1504
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:10,500
just missed the 747 coming in no cycle

1505
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:12,930
what he goes here this thing landed

1506
01:08:17,420 --> 01:08:15,089
right there we're all staring at it

1507
01:08:20,539 --> 01:08:17,430
moves across time that can takes right

1508
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:20,549
off and he swears to it so does his

1509
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:23,370
father his father said no this was what

1510
01:08:27,559 --> 01:08:26,219
he saw and sure that's what it was talk

1511
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:27,569
to a few of his friends who were there

1512
01:08:33,979 --> 01:08:30,839
that Davis of the same thing so things

1513
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,989
happen around the airport and not

1514
01:08:37,940 --> 01:08:36,239
everything gets out to the open and nor

1515
01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:37,950
does it end up in a report that we get

1516
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:40,980
our hands on either amazing Wow now

1517
01:08:48,499 --> 01:08:45,540
which yeah that's pretty strange well

1518
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,509
you know there's that that story about

1519
01:08:53,690 --> 01:08:50,880
Linda Moulton Howe that was supposed to

1520
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:53,700
get a video you know she was lured in to

1521
01:08:58,999 --> 01:08:57,210
get this video of of a craft landing at

1522
01:09:00,769 --> 01:08:59,009
a Air Force Base do you remember that

1523
01:09:02,150 --> 01:09:00,779
and yeah

1524
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:02,160
they lured her into that whole thing and

1525
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:05,850
nothing was ever revealed I don't know I

1526
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:07,230
don't even know what any of that was

1527
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:09,900
about but it does seem like you do hear

1528
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,890
about you know possible landings or you

1529
01:09:18,019 --> 01:09:15,660
know remember Gordon Cooper talks about

1530
01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:18,029
I don't think he was on an air base but

1531
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,279
he was somewhere out in the desert or

1532
01:09:24,499 --> 01:09:22,500
something when another thing land yes

1533
01:09:27,170 --> 01:09:24,509
you know it just seemed yeah he had the

1534
01:09:29,059 --> 01:09:27,180
gun he had the footage yeah yeah he

1535
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:29,069
delivered it and everything yeah yeah

1536
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:31,890
and he never he wasn't he didn't

1537
01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:34,710
actually see it he was told about it but

1538
01:09:38,749 --> 01:09:36,630
he actually you know after the film was

1539
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,759
developed he looked through it and saw

1540
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:41,040
it saw they weren't making anything up

1541
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:44,400
you know they saw it on film and that

1542
01:09:49,809 --> 01:09:46,259
was a snob you said it was perfect he

1543
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:49,819
said was pretty darn good film yeah yeah

1544
01:09:54,289 --> 01:09:52,290
the story that I'm saying is little

1545
01:09:55,729 --> 01:09:54,299
small craft and little feet came out of

1546
01:09:59,120 --> 01:09:55,739
it and landed right in front of everyone

1547
01:10:01,580 --> 01:09:59,130
in the films at the wartime Bazaar yeah

1548
01:10:06,979 --> 01:10:01,590
and that footage I think exists right

1549
01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:06,989
now somewhere that reminds me of the

1550
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:09,150
Socorro case for some reason every time

1551
01:10:12,529 --> 01:10:10,410
I hear about that one

1552
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,539
the two seem to go together was

1553
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:14,159
what that thing may have looked like to

1554
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:15,750
those right and I don't even know if

1555
01:10:20,089 --> 01:10:17,610
they were that far apart as far as the

1556
01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:20,099
date goes you know it's now they're

1557
01:10:24,890 --> 01:10:23,460
nearly closed yeah you know what cracks

1558
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:24,900
me up at this Blue Book thing they're

1559
01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:25,980
not putting things in a proper

1560
01:10:31,970 --> 01:10:29,820
chronology because they had the Gordon

1561
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,980
one which was actually later than say

1562
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:34,320
for instance some of the other ones the

1563
01:10:42,529 --> 01:10:37,980
flatwood monster case that was at the

1564
01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:42,539
end of all that 1952 activity along the

1565
01:10:49,310 --> 01:10:46,920
coast and the buzzing of Washington DC

1566
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:49,320
which was from what I heard instead of

1567
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,380
the two weekends of incursions there may

1568
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:55,440
have been at least 90 incursions during

1569
01:10:59,660 --> 01:10:58,260
that period of time so well it was a lot

1570
01:11:02,509 --> 01:10:59,670
more activity than what we'd ever hear

1571
01:11:06,109 --> 01:11:02,519
about well Sam when we were taking that

1572
01:11:07,819 --> 01:11:06,119
break you mentioned that you had there

1573
01:11:11,359 --> 01:11:07,829
was a recent case that you may talk

1574
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:11,369
about yes yeah talk a little bit about

1575
01:11:18,549 --> 01:11:14,340
the Heron go ahead if you would um sure

1576
01:11:21,259 --> 01:11:18,559
the it was southern Illinois case and

1577
01:11:23,259 --> 01:11:21,269
gentleman filled out a report came in

1578
01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:23,269
was actually two reports came in I

1579
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:25,500
looked at him I go wow these are the

1580
01:11:30,799 --> 01:11:27,900
same not the same person but the same

1581
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:30,809
incident and each one took the time and

1582
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:33,210
to fill out the reports so I called him

1583
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:37,800
up immediately and it was that time that

1584
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:41,670
I was down meant medically I couldn't I

1585
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:43,739
was getting a lot of tests and stuff and

1586
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:47,190
a few of other folks were caught all

1587
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:49,260
unable to hit the road and do you know

1588
01:11:55,069 --> 01:11:50,820
work on it it was further south in

1589
01:11:57,140 --> 01:11:55,079
Illinois and so we called very gone to

1590
01:12:00,049 --> 01:11:57,150
actually feel worked but I interviewed

1591
01:12:02,209 --> 01:12:00,059
the man multiple times he says I was

1592
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:02,219
driving home actually it was the best

1593
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:04,460
day she'd his girlfriend's driving and

1594
01:12:10,879 --> 01:12:07,440
they stopped for mail they turn into the

1595
01:12:13,459 --> 01:12:10,889
driveway and there is this huge light

1596
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:13,469
and the the size of the light he says

1597
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:16,380
was as big as an orange at arm's length

1598
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:19,230
and it's over from what appeared to be

1599
01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:23,369
over the distance above the house would

1600
01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:25,950
be over the house but in the distance

1601
01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:28,500
and he try he has such a difficulty

1602
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,980
trying to explain the characteristics of

1603
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,600
this likes he says it's like nothing

1604
01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:36,480
you've ever seen before it's it was

1605
01:12:42,530 --> 01:12:38,670
brilliant it was white that was like a

1606
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:42,540
lens and then the other day he called me

1607
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:46,710
up he says it was like faceted it was

1608
01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:49,440
like there was faceting to it it was

1609
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:53,100
very strange now that's at there and

1610
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:55,290
coming out of there appearing to come

1611
01:13:00,170 --> 01:12:58,320
out of it was a smaller object with the

1612
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:00,180
same intensity and type of illumination

1613
01:13:05,780 --> 01:13:02,490
about the size of a nickel at arm's

1614
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:05,790
length that object comes out does a

1615
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:09,420
zigzag but does describing the zigzag

1616
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:13,050
being more like a skier coming down a

1617
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:16,500
slope right to left right left and comes

1618
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:20,820
down and shoots across over some trees

1619
01:13:25,190 --> 01:13:23,910
or in back of his house now he pulls up

1620
01:13:28,940 --> 01:13:25,200
they were going to be emptying the

1621
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:28,950
getting the their groceries out he

1622
01:13:33,260 --> 01:13:30,900
decides I'm gonna go see what's going on

1623
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:33,270
here with this day he walks him back by

1624
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:35,460
the house looking for where that light

1625
01:13:40,730 --> 01:13:37,980
could have gone I couldn't see it but

1626
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:40,740
from where it it dipped over the the

1627
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:43,770
tree line some was around 200 some feet

1628
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,050
away to his right there is the

1629
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:48,080
silhouette of an object sitting there

1630
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:51,450
perfectly still but now it's coming

1631
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,080
towards him he is standing there trying

1632
01:14:00,710 --> 01:13:57,120
to figure out what occurred this thing

1633
01:14:04,730 --> 01:14:00,720
is and it's big and it's coming down and

1634
01:14:09,230 --> 01:14:04,740
it's coming along next to the field next

1635
01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:09,240
to his house the object is as he says no

1636
01:14:18,290 --> 01:14:12,230
less than fifty feet could be more and

1637
01:14:22,220 --> 01:14:18,300
20 some feet wide about 10 15 feet or so

1638
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:22,230
max in the middle and a type of

1639
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,930
illumination along the bottom but he

1640
01:14:29,060 --> 01:14:26,640
says what was truly unusual it was

1641
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:29,070
coming towards him is he was saying what

1642
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:31,260
appeared to be a window and in this

1643
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:34,290
window well he found very disturbing was

1644
01:14:38,690 --> 01:14:36,690
motion but the motion was like that of

1645
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:38,700
something alive

1646
01:14:45,890 --> 01:14:42,600
something human-like or human and he was

1647
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:45,900
able to discern that type of motion and

1648
01:14:52,430 --> 01:14:49,080
shape inside as it was coming towards

1649
01:14:54,740 --> 01:14:52,440
him then he notices two red lights in

1650
01:14:58,060 --> 01:14:54,750
the green lighting back on the side the

1651
01:15:05,450 --> 01:14:58,070
right side the shape of the object is

1652
01:15:09,170 --> 01:15:05,460
sort of like a Oh an elliptic but like

1653
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:09,180
an arrow and the back of it was flat or

1654
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:12,600
possibly even concave and it appeared

1655
01:15:18,230 --> 01:15:15,930
that there was the machine from the

1656
01:15:21,980 --> 01:15:18,240
bottom was unlike anything he ever seen

1657
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:21,990
it was self luminous yet it was metallic

1658
01:15:28,730 --> 01:15:25,530
and he can't even grasp to get the color

1659
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:28,740
correct it's just too unusual the side

1660
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:33,360
was grey and dark too dark black a

1661
01:15:39,950 --> 01:15:37,290
matted black and the windows were darker

1662
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:39,960
and then they got lighter where they're

1663
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:42,290
able to see more detail as it progressed

1664
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:46,650
the back of it was like titanium is that

1665
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:48,590
when he described it look like titania

1666
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,730
he went brand

1667
01:15:54,710 --> 01:15:52,320
he was stooped down looking underneath

1668
01:15:56,450 --> 01:15:54,720
reran got his his girlfriend says you

1669
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:56,460
got to see this thing it's a UFO it's a

1670
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,540
UFO he grabs her pools are along behind

1671
01:16:03,980 --> 01:16:02,640
this they had to go behind a building to

1672
01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:03,990
catch up with this thing cuz now it's

1673
01:16:10,730 --> 01:16:08,280
moving very slowly across the field they

1674
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:10,740
come around she was not interested in

1675
01:16:16,970 --> 01:16:13,170
looking at this thing at all she was

1676
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:16,980
frightened he's looking at it and now

1677
01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:19,710
he's able to discern they're not just

1678
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:21,990
one being in there there are two beings

1679
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:25,050
in there the being and back of the first

1680
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:28,230
one is bending forward as it bends

1681
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:30,930
forward he hears something like the

1682
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:34,310
engaging of some sort of device bit an

1683
01:16:42,590 --> 01:16:37,950
engine or some energy or whatever there

1684
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,600
is a sound that's taking place then all

1685
01:16:48,050 --> 01:16:44,640
of a sudden there is a roush

1686
01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:48,060
and this whooshing sound like it was

1687
01:16:52,670 --> 01:16:50,550
just like very unusual like rouscher

1688
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:52,680
like air and he said you could

1689
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,510
to discern that if you were more than

1690
01:16:58,370 --> 01:16:56,400
say two or three hundred feet away it

1691
01:17:01,640 --> 01:16:58,380
was it was discernible but it wasn't

1692
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:01,650
super loud but it was obvious that thing

1693
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:05,760
curved off and shot up he said the way

1694
01:17:10,250 --> 01:17:07,560
it moved was like that of a centipede

1695
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:10,260
turning to its side and moving Jeff you

1696
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:13,650
ever seen that how they move along yeah

1697
01:17:19,790 --> 01:17:17,370
mm-hmm you know just and that's what it

1698
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:19,800
was in his eye and and I'm thinking

1699
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:22,500
that's because the illumination now it

1700
01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:24,930
started to become illuminated that his

1701
01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:27,990
opt is how his eyes picking it up it may

1702
01:17:32,660 --> 01:17:30,630
have been in like flashes or sequences

1703
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:32,670
that it would look like that that it was

1704
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:37,730
stuttering or almost like oh like a

1705
01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:41,310
strobing motion moving off and veering

1706
01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:43,560
off into the sky and he says within

1707
01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:45,630
seconds that thing was lost into the

1708
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:50,790
stars so he was just puzzled totally

1709
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:54,000
puzzled he was so shocked by this he

1710
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:55,650
called his mom and was actually crying

1711
01:18:01,100 --> 01:17:57,450
on the phone he was so freaked out by it

1712
01:18:04,010 --> 01:18:01,110
and this guy is somebody you know could

1713
01:18:04,990 --> 01:18:04,020
handle a lot of craziness he was he's a

1714
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:05,000
pretty tough guy

1715
01:18:12,740 --> 01:18:08,490
well what up and story then isn't it

1716
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:12,750
wild that's crazy yeah yeah and then

1717
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,970
he's seen it they seen it again but this

1718
01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:17,520
time with the I believe it was a sister

1719
01:18:25,940 --> 01:18:21,750
and brother-in-law of his girlfriend and

1720
01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:25,950
then coming home one day he went out of

1721
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,980
state he was coming over a bridge not

1722
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:31,920
far from him but towards like metropolis

1723
01:18:39,860 --> 01:18:35,280
in Korea so he he's come out of the

1724
01:18:42,380 --> 01:18:39,870
bridge and there's this dream UFO above

1725
01:18:45,650 --> 01:18:42,390
the bridge line dreams sitting there and

1726
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:45,660
he says what is this and then it takes

1727
01:18:51,230 --> 01:18:49,980
off to the north-northwest and he says

1728
01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:51,240
by the time he when he got to the other

1729
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:52,830
side the bridge was about nine police

1730
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:55,860
officers standing around he says I he

1731
01:19:02,150 --> 01:18:57,480
had his filled with this at that point

1732
01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:02,160
so he just went home but yeah pretty

1733
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:06,360
crazy huh yeah and did we did the police

1734
01:19:14,260 --> 01:19:07,210
officer

1735
01:19:16,330 --> 01:19:14,270
you're aware of no idea well all this is

1736
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:16,340
still under investigation we will we

1737
01:19:20,530 --> 01:19:18,290
know there's more more information there

1738
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:20,540
we know there's more witnesses and other

1739
01:19:26,410 --> 01:19:22,910
cases came in even came in Kentucky that

1740
01:19:28,180 --> 01:19:26,420
seem to be similar to this berry come on

1741
01:19:32,020 --> 01:19:28,190
went out there he did the field test

1742
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:32,030
took some photographs so I mean the

1743
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,730
gentleman had some ailments we may have

1744
01:19:39,550 --> 01:19:36,800
to do some follow-up with that the

1745
01:19:42,130 --> 01:19:39,560
bottom line is he you know this because

1746
01:19:45,550 --> 01:19:42,140
he says this was life changing this was

1747
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:45,560
a life changing event there is this was

1748
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:47,150
like nothing ever seen before

1749
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:50,000
his girlfriend was totally shook up by

1750
01:19:54,490 --> 01:19:52,970
yet I spoke to his mom and she said he

1751
01:19:59,290 --> 01:19:54,500
isn't that she has never seen him this

1752
01:20:01,540 --> 01:19:59,300
worked up over anything and she is a

1753
01:20:05,140 --> 01:20:01,550
hundred percent in back of them but they

1754
01:20:08,290 --> 01:20:05,150
saw is what they saw area what it is we

1755
01:20:11,230 --> 01:20:08,300
don't know right what we know it's a

1756
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:11,240
piece of technology many helicopter

1757
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:13,250
showed up a military helicopter showed

1758
01:20:18,940 --> 01:20:15,760
up afterwards

1759
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:18,950
yeah pretty strange stuff that's been

1760
01:20:24,940 --> 01:20:22,850
everything yeah all the goodies yeah and

1761
01:20:26,830 --> 01:20:24,950
all the goodies and and a cooperative

1762
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:26,840
witness too so you get the information

1763
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:29,450
and you know after this happened he went

1764
01:20:32,740 --> 01:20:31,370
to the neighborhood he was asking people

1765
01:20:34,750 --> 01:20:32,750
different stuff and he said he came

1766
01:20:37,180 --> 01:20:34,760
across a farmer who told him a story

1767
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:37,190
that he was out there he was I don't

1768
01:20:43,570 --> 01:20:41,090
know if he was diskin but he was getting

1769
01:20:45,550 --> 01:20:43,580
ready to put some put some put some seed

1770
01:20:47,860 --> 01:20:45,560
and there was a UFO just sitting there

1771
01:20:49,810 --> 01:20:47,870
and I'm sitting there above them in the

1772
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:49,820
field they says oh yeah I watched this

1773
01:20:52,930 --> 01:20:51,050
thing for I don't know how long it

1774
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:52,940
didn't move it just sent there he says

1775
01:20:55,780 --> 01:20:54,650
but I had to get get back to work you

1776
01:21:00,850 --> 01:20:55,790
know the work would never get done

1777
01:21:04,150 --> 01:21:00,860
unless I do it well now going back to

1778
01:21:10,330 --> 01:21:04,160
the O'Hare incident just a couple of

1779
01:21:12,130 --> 01:21:10,340
things on that did someone was saying

1780
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:12,140
actually in the chat room they said that

1781
01:21:18,730 --> 01:21:14,360
there was something about a college kid

1782
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:18,740
that that was making something about it

1783
01:21:23,730 --> 01:21:21,180
do you know anything about that

1784
01:21:26,610 --> 01:21:23,740
making photographs no no that was uh

1785
01:21:28,830 --> 01:21:26,620
that was making a video or something

1786
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:28,840
about it there's the situation do you

1787
01:21:34,170 --> 01:21:31,150
know anything about that that was just

1788
01:21:36,540 --> 01:21:34,180
what someone posted up on chat could

1789
01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:36,550
have been but I don't recall you know

1790
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:38,140
there were so many rumors going about

1791
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,840
dan Aykroyd supposedly had some footage

1792
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:43,360
and everything and I never heard that

1793
01:21:52,980 --> 01:21:47,440
you know I mean I that hasn't been

1794
01:21:55,860 --> 01:21:52,990
validated either way on the go ahead no

1795
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:55,870
go ahead well the other thing I was

1796
01:22:03,330 --> 01:21:58,090
thinking of did that actually stop

1797
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,340
traffic you know traffic was was was the

1798
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:05,440
the normal flow of traffic was changed

1799
01:22:12,420 --> 01:22:08,050
there was they talk in fact you could

1800
01:22:14,460 --> 01:22:12,430
hear the tower tapes like on the YouTube

1801
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:14,470
they have the tower tapes they were

1802
01:22:18,660 --> 01:22:17,110
asking pilots if they seen anything and

1803
01:22:20,330 --> 01:22:18,670
then they were tell him you know you

1804
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:20,340
could hear the chatter with the tower

1805
01:22:28,830 --> 01:22:24,370
about that um we did get in fact Robert

1806
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:28,840
Powell sent me a email one day and he

1807
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:31,510
says Sam he got a another person that

1808
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:34,090
that Saints something while they were in

1809
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:36,570
the air and sure enough there wasn't a

1810
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:39,360
gentleman and his wife coming in and

1811
01:22:45,870 --> 01:22:42,250
they seen something in the air and they

1812
01:22:48,450 --> 01:22:45,880
were very qualified observers to they

1813
01:22:51,420 --> 01:22:48,460
were what was some military observers on

1814
01:22:53,670 --> 01:22:51,430
military personnel so they're other like

1815
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,680
you said other people are coming forward

1816
01:22:58,380 --> 01:22:55,840
now they feel comfortable and this is

1817
01:23:00,990 --> 01:22:58,390
how it always happens these things are

1818
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:01,000
always open the only time a case is done

1819
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:03,550
is you can't really add any more to it

1820
01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:05,770
or unless you know exactly what it is

1821
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:08,710
and I am going than if I'd flying object

1822
01:23:11,670 --> 01:23:09,310
or a hoax

1823
01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:11,680
so Maria you were a hundred percent

1824
01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:14,380
correct yeah and you know you're talking

1825
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:16,990
about helicopters in this last one it

1826
01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:18,730
seems to me that if something was in

1827
01:23:24,510 --> 01:23:21,340
threat of airspace you know they would

1828
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:24,520
have sent something to go check it out

1829
01:23:29,180 --> 01:23:27,190
like a helicopter or you know the the

1830
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,190
military we get involved or something

1831
01:23:32,799 --> 01:23:31,840
you know me what else takes too long I

1832
01:23:35,950 --> 01:23:32,809
don't know

1833
01:23:39,220 --> 01:23:35,960
oh yeah this was pretty quick

1834
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:39,230
you know the whole incident well they

1835
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:41,090
had they know the exact time of

1836
01:23:43,529 --> 01:23:42,110
everything

1837
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:43,539
sure and that's what's so interesting

1838
01:23:50,529 --> 01:23:47,360
exact time and speaking of time he feels

1839
01:23:52,990 --> 01:23:50,539
there was at least a minute or more of

1840
01:23:54,729 --> 01:23:53,000
missing time because something

1841
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:54,739
transpired he was looking at something

1842
01:24:01,839 --> 01:23:56,719
one land and all of a sudden it was

1843
01:24:03,339 --> 01:24:01,849
something was different and so missing

1844
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:03,349
time could have taken place with this

1845
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:03,770
gentleman

1846
01:24:12,339 --> 01:24:07,280
so don't the the girlfriend was totally

1847
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,349
scared we talked every day almost we I

1848
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:14,480
couldn't even kana many times we talk we

1849
01:24:19,810 --> 01:24:17,480
talk all the time that's the other thing

1850
01:24:23,020 --> 01:24:19,820
about we're working a case like this you

1851
01:24:25,060 --> 01:24:23,030
get very close to these people and and

1852
01:24:26,890 --> 01:24:25,070
that's a genuine thing and it isn't just

1853
01:24:29,109 --> 01:24:26,900
you want to do it clinically you

1854
01:24:30,669 --> 01:24:29,119
generally have a concern and my concern

1855
01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:30,679
more than anything else is their health

1856
01:24:35,109 --> 01:24:32,840
and well-being I don't want anything to

1857
01:24:38,049 --> 01:24:35,119
hurt them and if there's something wrong

1858
01:24:40,180 --> 01:24:38,059
want them taken care of the other thing

1859
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:40,190
is I don't want people bothering them

1860
01:24:48,939 --> 01:24:44,719
and their privacy and their health or

1861
01:24:51,220 --> 01:24:48,949
well-being has to be respected so and so

1862
01:24:52,830 --> 01:24:51,230
in this case there's gonna be you're

1863
01:24:55,930 --> 01:24:52,840
gonna hear about this a little bit more

1864
01:24:59,740 --> 01:24:55,940
pretty soon well that's exciting

1865
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,750
so we are we are at a point where we

1866
01:25:05,919 --> 01:25:01,520
could take a call if anyone wants to

1867
01:25:07,890 --> 01:25:05,929
call in that number but Sam you tried to

1868
01:25:10,660 --> 01:25:07,900
call in on that number and you said that

1869
01:25:13,419 --> 01:25:10,670
that's an act it going to voicemail

1870
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:13,429
went into voice yeah first so what the

1871
01:25:19,330 --> 01:25:16,190
voice no no perhaps we maybe ought not

1872
01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:19,340
give it a try with who any things that

1873
01:25:24,430 --> 01:25:22,760
one or more so I mean the worst thing

1874
01:25:26,799 --> 01:25:24,440
that could happen is someone would call

1875
01:25:30,129 --> 01:25:26,809
in and it would go nowhere so that call

1876
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:30,139
numbers up on the screen someone is

1877
01:25:36,609 --> 01:25:31,840
welcome to try it if they would like and

1878
01:25:40,259 --> 01:25:36,619
ask you a question so as far as up as

1879
01:25:42,939 --> 01:25:40,269
far as your daily life goes then and

1880
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:42,949
your profession and things like that

1881
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:46,449
does this the UFO

1882
01:25:52,979 --> 01:25:48,690
you know topic ever get in the way of

1883
01:25:59,220 --> 01:25:52,989
our Hindi you in any type of way what

1884
01:26:01,560 --> 01:25:59,230
normal life oh yeah it has taken a toll

1885
01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:01,570
on me and like you wouldn't believe

1886
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:04,750
I didn't jump in with two feet I jumped

1887
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:06,550
in with my head and everything else and

1888
01:26:11,129 --> 01:26:08,650
I dragged my family along with it which

1889
01:26:15,629 --> 01:26:11,139
is probably not the best thing to do and

1890
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:15,639
they remind me of that a lot you know it

1891
01:26:23,490 --> 01:26:20,760
is not a popular you want to really lose

1892
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:23,500
you know at the table dinner table no

1893
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:26,830
it's not a topic we never talk about it

1894
01:26:34,589 --> 01:26:31,360
it's chandu it's taboo and it's funny

1895
01:26:37,140 --> 01:26:34,599
because I'll go to let's say my sister

1896
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:37,150
and brother-in-law Lena and their

1897
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,340
friends always want to ask questions I

1898
01:26:43,859 --> 01:26:41,679
see this all the you know but they want

1899
01:26:47,070 --> 01:26:43,869
nothing they themselves want nothing to

1900
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:47,080
do with any of this stuff hmm as far as

1901
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:49,449
clients you know as far as business-wise

1902
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,239
and if they have taken because this is a

1903
01:26:57,450 --> 01:26:54,639
full-time job this is my life this is

1904
01:26:59,899 --> 01:26:57,460
what I do and everything else is

1905
01:27:03,060 --> 01:26:59,909
unfortunately taken a backseat sort of

1906
01:27:07,979 --> 01:27:03,070
but whatever I I do I try to do the best

1907
01:27:10,770 --> 01:27:07,989
I can but this thing is from the center

1908
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:10,780
in my life and it's been this way for I

1909
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:14,110
don't know 10 years maybe no so the last

1910
01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:16,690
least 10 years but you know it's not not

1911
01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:19,060
what I recommend people to do you want

1912
01:27:27,950 --> 01:27:23,580
if you know the problem is there isn't a

1913
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:27,960
this should be a paid position or a paid

1914
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,940
profession where as funding or people to

1915
01:27:34,979 --> 01:27:32,560
make a living and really dedicate the

1916
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:34,989
time have all the resources available to

1917
01:27:40,169 --> 01:27:37,570
do things in a proficient manner and

1918
01:27:43,979 --> 01:27:40,179
that's what really needs to make it move

1919
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:43,989
along so this way it is respectable it

1920
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,320
is a profession and it can evolve

1921
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:49,840
through something scientific and it

1922
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:52,960
should I mean just stop and think echod

1923
01:27:56,959 --> 01:27:55,090
from academia you have people in

1924
01:27:59,040 --> 01:27:56,969
humanities you have people to teach

1925
01:28:01,860 --> 01:27:59,050
teach mythology

1926
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:01,870
that teach of theology I read all these

1927
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:04,050
other ologies that are are not

1928
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:05,290
scientific

1929
01:28:11,310 --> 01:28:08,890
so that are based on myths and beliefs

1930
01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:11,320
and things that cannot be substantiated

1931
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:16,720
and yet they are in academia and hold

1932
01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:19,930
reverence and yet we get claim you know

1933
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:22,990
we are the pseudo scientific or pseudo

1934
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:25,570
scientific right yeah and this is what

1935
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:27,930
cracks me up the other day we had a

1936
01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:30,880
belated happy Groundhog Day to you too

1937
01:28:37,530 --> 01:28:35,020
oh yeah hey hang on just one second hold

1938
01:28:40,890 --> 01:28:37,540
that thought can you hold that hot sure

1939
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:40,900
all right it seems to me we have a

1940
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:44,020
caller on the line so I guess the phones

1941
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:46,060
working after all caller welcome to the

1942
01:28:52,830 --> 01:28:47,890
show what what's your first name and

1943
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:52,840
where are you calling from hi Martin

1944
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:56,410
this is Chuck I called in last week when

1945
01:29:04,440 --> 01:28:58,960
the guest with Robert Powell oh yes my

1946
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:04,450
job anyway yeah I have a call for Sam or

1947
01:29:11,310 --> 01:29:07,210
I mean a question for Sam and then

1948
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:11,320
probably a follow-up as far as the

1949
01:29:22,350 --> 01:29:18,330
Chicago O'Hare case I heard that a lot

1950
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:22,360
maybe most of the airline employees

1951
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:24,280
pilots flight attendants ground

1952
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:29,010
personnel we're all told by their

1953
01:29:35,850 --> 01:29:32,650
employers do not talk about this or you

1954
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:35,860
know you may lose your job and I just

1955
01:29:40,230 --> 01:29:38,590
wondered if Sam could comment on that

1956
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:40,240
and I just have a follow-up question

1957
01:29:47,130 --> 01:29:44,770
after that I think Chuck what they I

1958
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,140
think the proper way of the wording on

1959
01:29:51,230 --> 01:29:49,360
most of them was reminded that they

1960
01:29:57,470 --> 01:29:51,240
don't have such a perfect record of

1961
01:30:00,330 --> 01:29:57,480
employment so this way it's not a a I

1962
01:30:03,090 --> 01:30:00,340
don't know it's an interpretive threat

1963
01:30:08,850 --> 01:30:03,100
but some of people that's what they said

1964
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:08,860
yes so I think again the posture being

1965
01:30:12,990 --> 01:30:12,130
that it just came out of it just came

1966
01:30:15,570 --> 01:30:13,000
out of bankruptcy

1967
01:30:17,220 --> 01:30:15,580
in February I think they were very

1968
01:30:20,670 --> 01:30:17,230
concerned about the well-being of the

1969
01:30:23,550 --> 01:30:20,680
corporation the other thing is I there

1970
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:23,560
was a military presence there

1971
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:27,130
after this took place so again we're

1972
01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:28,450
talking about a matter of national

1973
01:30:34,940 --> 01:30:29,460
security

1974
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:34,950
I'll take your second question that uh

1975
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:39,280
was that a particular airline that you

1976
01:30:45,740 --> 01:30:42,730
were just referring to United right you

1977
01:30:53,670 --> 01:30:45,750
know you will yes

1978
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:53,680
okay well and you uncovered they need

1979
01:30:58,500 --> 01:30:56,050
other airlines that did something

1980
01:31:00,210 --> 01:30:58,510
similar that you know you were dot just

1981
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:00,220
coming out of bankruptcy that told their

1982
01:31:06,990 --> 01:31:03,730
employees this was a non-event to talk

1983
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:07,000
about it yeah you know I can't recall

1984
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:09,280
anything like that till you the truth I

1985
01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:13,210
don't know like can I just explain to

1986
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:16,900
him why this is actually c-17 was a

1987
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:21,490
United Airline gate and that's isn't

1988
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:23,290
that correct isn't that why it was you

1989
01:31:29,940 --> 01:31:26,770
just United that you know yes the most

1990
01:31:32,670 --> 01:31:29,950
people involved yes they're mostly

1991
01:31:34,290 --> 01:31:32,680
United yeah they're mostly not everybody

1992
01:31:36,630 --> 01:31:34,300
but there was mostly United people knows

1993
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,640
other personnel but those people that

1994
01:31:40,650 --> 01:31:38,560
came forward mentioned something that

1995
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:40,660
they were just reminded that they didn't

1996
01:31:46,230 --> 01:31:44,050
have the most perfect record I know a

1997
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:46,240
few instances put it that way

1998
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:49,360
now dr. Haynes spoke to 14 people I only

1999
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:55,120
spoke to three and they had no problem

2000
01:32:00,990 --> 01:31:58,960
so they didn't mention anything about

2001
01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:01,000
that but they did hear about other

2002
01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:02,860
people having problems so it was

2003
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:05,500
secondhand they didn't but those

2004
01:32:11,850 --> 01:32:07,450
individuals let's say for instance yet

2005
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:11,860
to pilot the pilot copilot you had ran

2006
01:32:19,290 --> 01:32:12,400
traps

2007
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:19,300
you know loading up the the plane yeah

2008
01:32:25,380 --> 01:32:22,330
few of them weren't formed don't have a

2009
01:32:26,940 --> 01:32:25,390
perfect record or thanksgi you know it

2010
01:32:30,450 --> 01:32:26,950
does affect your job

2011
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:30,460
oh yeah all right char they were

2012
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:34,290
concerned yes yeah that's a job that

2013
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:38,050
that brings up my other point your other

2014
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:42,030
question or just a comment from you is

2015
01:32:49,790 --> 01:32:46,810
well basically these people's jobs were

2016
01:32:54,150 --> 01:32:49,800
threatened if they were the same thing

2017
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:54,160
so I've often wondered what the reason

2018
01:32:59,690 --> 01:32:56,050
for that is is it because the airline

2019
01:33:03,140 --> 01:32:59,700
doesn't want to be getting barrassed by

2020
01:33:06,450 --> 01:33:03,150
you know talking about UFOs or just

2021
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:06,460
how's the government the FAA or somebody

2022
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:08,380
come in and said okay if anything like

2023
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:10,930
this happens this is what you do you

2024
01:33:17,130 --> 01:33:13,690
can't threaten people with the loss of

2025
01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:17,140
their jobs well I think but I think I

2026
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:18,940
don't think there's protocol in place

2027
01:33:23,220 --> 01:33:21,250
and then then from there you can figure

2028
01:33:27,150 --> 01:33:23,230
things out I think with it but it comes

2029
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,160
down to we had a you al nurse that

2030
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:29,920
showed up to quite a few of our events

2031
01:33:35,340 --> 01:33:32,050
she was 90 years old

2032
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:35,350
and she said Sam did you ever wonder why

2033
01:33:40,700 --> 01:33:39,040
these pilots don't come forward I can

2034
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:40,710
tell you because I was there firsthand

2035
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:45,280
giving their when giving the physicals

2036
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:51,570
evaluations that they have to go through

2037
01:33:59,040 --> 01:33:54,190
any time they make such a report that's

2038
01:34:01,080 --> 01:33:59,050
why it's intimidation so it's a it's a

2039
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:01,090
career killer remember in the beginning

2040
01:34:09,870 --> 01:34:06,810
of close encounters with a pilot see the

2041
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:09,880
UFO nine pilots and they asked they

2042
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:12,370
asked if they want to file a report no

2043
01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:15,760
not interested no that's exactly the

2044
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:18,670
reaction and one of our investigators

2045
01:34:27,420 --> 01:34:23,370
was an 18 air traffic controller out of

2046
01:34:30,900 --> 01:34:27,430
Puerto Rico and they were in the tower

2047
01:34:32,850 --> 01:34:30,910
when a UFO came out of the water he his

2048
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:32,860
supervisor and I think was two other

2049
01:34:37,550 --> 01:34:35,410
people seeing the whole incident and he

2050
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:37,560
looked at them and said we saw nothing

2051
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:41,010
so that's how it goes

2052
01:34:48,689 --> 01:34:45,570
yeah I just wonder what what what the

2053
01:34:52,589 --> 01:34:48,699
good basis for all it is if it is it

2054
01:34:57,239 --> 01:34:52,599
just the fear of ridicule or or who

2055
01:34:57,810 --> 01:34:57,249
knows but it just seems kind of it's not

2056
01:35:01,229 --> 01:34:57,820
for sure

2057
01:35:04,140 --> 01:35:01,239
but the bottom line is this is it isn't

2058
01:35:07,109 --> 01:35:04,150
America matter of national security and

2059
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:07,119
above that secret because it's just for

2060
01:35:11,339 --> 01:35:09,130
the heck of it they're sound reasoning

2061
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:11,349
and to say to think for one month in one

2062
01:35:18,779 --> 01:35:13,840
minute that I I know everything

2063
01:35:20,700 --> 01:35:18,789
no way and is it justified maybe I'm not

2064
01:35:23,370 --> 01:35:20,710
one to say that you know all this is

2065
01:35:26,459 --> 01:35:23,380
wrong that that this has been held back

2066
01:35:29,009 --> 01:35:26,469
for a reason and it may be a matter of

2067
01:35:31,290 --> 01:35:29,019
just ramping up to be able to get some

2068
01:35:34,770 --> 01:35:31,300
degree of control or some degree of

2069
01:35:37,859 --> 01:35:34,780
normalcy to to when the time does come

2070
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:37,869
to present this information say yes here

2071
01:35:43,529 --> 01:35:40,800
we have things here that we can't quite

2072
01:35:45,620 --> 01:35:43,539
have complete utter control of because

2073
01:35:48,270 --> 01:35:45,630
they can move about with impunity

2074
01:35:53,009 --> 01:35:48,280
wherever they die and we all want to go

2075
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:53,019
they go it doesn't matter now if you say

2076
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:55,360
well now they really can't go here or

2077
01:35:59,100 --> 01:35:56,800
there because we have somewhat

2078
01:36:00,839 --> 01:35:59,110
comparable technology to be assured that

2079
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:00,849
that isn't going to be interfered with

2080
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:04,570
or if they aren't benevolent and

2081
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:07,630
possibly motherland' then we could have

2082
01:36:13,140 --> 01:36:11,440
some sort of control as far as not so

2083
01:36:16,259 --> 01:36:13,150
much control but some sort of defense

2084
01:36:18,569 --> 01:36:16,269
maybe that was just a matter of time I

2085
01:36:21,029 --> 01:36:18,579
would like to think that and that they

2086
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:21,039
have technology like this in place and

2087
01:36:27,149 --> 01:36:25,360
we'll see but thank you and I are in the

2088
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:27,159
same boat Chuck we're gonna find out one

2089
01:36:35,339 --> 01:36:32,170
way or another right yeah it's maybe

2090
01:36:41,009 --> 01:36:35,349
that's part of the problem is our best

2091
01:36:43,140 --> 01:36:41,019
military and these objects

2092
01:36:46,919 --> 01:36:43,150
well the Nimitz case last week was a

2093
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:46,929
pretty good example that the ticket and

2094
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:49,090
then I was a comment I made is it just

2095
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:53,199
probably extraterrestrial technology is

2096
01:36:57,420 --> 01:36:54,490
so far

2097
01:37:00,030 --> 01:36:57,430
beyond our own that maybe our military

2098
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:00,040
is just afraid to admit that you know

2099
01:37:03,570 --> 01:37:01,810
because their reason we have a military

2100
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:03,580
it's to protect us apparently or

2101
01:37:08,730 --> 01:37:06,280
supposedly but you know if these objects

2102
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:08,740
can as you just said fly around we

2103
01:37:13,890 --> 01:37:10,570
really want do whatever they want with

2104
01:37:15,690 --> 01:37:13,900
impunity and and our military knows that

2105
01:37:18,990 --> 01:37:15,700
and they're just afraid to admit it

2106
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:19,000
because that's absolutely be saying you

2107
01:37:24,210 --> 01:37:22,210
know well we we can't protect you from

2108
01:37:26,580 --> 01:37:24,220
these things so hopefully we can stay on

2109
01:37:29,130 --> 01:37:26,590
the good side of these there's other

2110
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:29,140
intelligence and because obviously they

2111
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:33,130
could probably come in and take over the

2112
01:37:36,980 --> 01:37:33,520
planet

2113
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:36,990
with without any problem at all anyway

2114
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:40,080
nice talking to you mr. Morano and

2115
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:44,170
Martin will always and oh I'll sit and

2116
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:45,910
listen and enjoy the rest of the program

2117
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:47,170
thanks a lot

2118
01:37:54,420 --> 01:37:52,090
thank you call Thank You Chuck so we

2119
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:54,430
think here is you know how much time do

2120
01:37:59,100 --> 01:37:55,570
we have I was just going to tell you we

2121
01:38:00,810 --> 01:37:59,110
have about five minutes left okay the

2122
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:00,820
you know the thing is what are we

2123
01:38:06,030 --> 01:38:03,610
dealing with when it comes to all of us

2124
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:06,040
you know the getting back to jail and

2125
01:38:13,020 --> 01:38:09,760
Hynek the extra-terrestrial hypotheses

2126
01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:13,030
was one hypotheses that was put forth

2127
01:38:17,850 --> 01:38:15,460
the other being something that is far

2128
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:17,860
more outside the scope of even we

2129
01:38:23,250 --> 01:38:20,560
anything we could even comprehend and

2130
01:38:27,020 --> 01:38:23,260
that's the more esoteric development and

2131
01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:27,030
the dimensional and interdimensional

2132
01:38:34,020 --> 01:38:30,460
components now this is what flips me out

2133
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:34,030
and either it's the technology the

2134
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:38,340
cloaking ability but in 2004 the whole

2135
01:38:45,540 --> 01:38:43,410
concept or prospect I should say of an

2136
01:38:49,230 --> 01:38:45,550
interdimensional component to some of

2137
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:49,240
this technology and quite even possibly

2138
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:53,650
the beings themself that put a shiver up

2139
01:38:59,310 --> 01:38:57,250
my spine like you wouldn't believe and I

2140
01:39:02,490 --> 01:38:59,320
think you've heard enough people talk on

2141
01:39:04,530 --> 01:39:02,500
your show and elsewhere that this is

2142
01:39:07,620 --> 01:39:04,540
something that we really have to take

2143
01:39:08,100 --> 01:39:07,630
into consideration so when people say

2144
01:39:10,410 --> 01:39:08,110
you know

2145
01:39:12,050 --> 01:39:10,420
with LA and Hynek and they know what

2146
01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:12,060
they're talking about and they basically

2147
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:14,260
kicked him in the butt because they

2148
01:39:19,410 --> 01:39:17,890
weren't nuts-and-bolts pathologists

2149
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:19,420
that's because they were being

2150
01:39:23,940 --> 01:39:22,000
scientific that they were saying that

2151
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:23,950
there's more to this than meets the eye

2152
01:39:30,780 --> 01:39:26,290
now with the understanding technology

2153
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:30,790
and advancements in science today we see

2154
01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:33,970
what science does conventional science

2155
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:36,550
can do maybe that position would have

2156
01:39:42,660 --> 01:39:39,280
changed but either way I stand behind

2157
01:39:45,570 --> 01:39:42,670
the both of them and I applaud them and

2158
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:45,580
I'm so happy we have Blue Book out there

2159
01:39:49,230 --> 01:39:46,630
to the public

2160
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:49,240
yeah I think I think you know II you

2161
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:50,710
know there's a lot of critics of it but

2162
01:39:56,250 --> 01:39:53,380
in the UFO field but I think it could

2163
01:39:58,710 --> 01:39:56,260
only do good overall and I felt the same

2164
01:40:01,950 --> 01:39:58,720
way about hangar one I was a big fan fan

2165
01:40:06,620 --> 01:40:01,960
of that show either but boy did it

2166
01:40:09,660 --> 01:40:06,630
change things as far as UFO reports go

2167
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:09,670
absolutely a few of my cases were in

2168
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:12,610
there one being the lake Cooke car in

2169
01:40:17,010 --> 01:40:15,250
fact the lake lacar work somebody of

2170
01:40:20,190 --> 01:40:17,020
somebody about five people called me and

2171
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:20,200
since and and the Lubbock Texas case

2172
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:23,650
went on Blue Book they have a car that's

2173
01:40:30,780 --> 01:40:27,010
all sucked in just like the your case up

2174
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:30,790
and on Leigh Cook Road we had a case

2175
01:40:35,970 --> 01:40:32,290
there I don't know if you ever hear

2176
01:40:37,710 --> 01:40:35,980
about the Lake Road case no just keep in

2177
01:40:40,350 --> 01:40:37,720
my office well we have about two and a

2178
01:40:40,860 --> 01:40:40,360
half minutes two and a half minutes real

2179
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:40,870
fast

2180
01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:42,970
well Peter Davenport called me up he

2181
01:40:46,530 --> 01:40:44,950
sent me some photos Sam this is what

2182
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:46,540
happened to this girl's tire looked like

2183
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:47,920
one on earth happen here

2184
01:40:52,710 --> 01:40:49,690
looked like a beer can you sucked all

2185
01:40:55,890 --> 01:40:52,720
the air out of it compressed so he says

2186
01:40:58,650 --> 01:40:55,900
the woman the girl wants once it's

2187
01:41:02,520 --> 01:40:58,660
looked into finally we got in touch with

2188
01:41:04,440 --> 01:41:02,530
her she worked at a a mall nearby went

2189
01:41:07,380 --> 01:41:04,450
out there examined the car sure enough

2190
01:41:10,620 --> 01:41:07,390
anything that was made of anything that

2191
01:41:12,810 --> 01:41:10,630
had iron in it was was looking that way

2192
01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:12,820
on one side of the car none of the none

2193
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:15,310
of the aluminum neither the trim and the

2194
01:41:21,950 --> 01:41:18,610
most unusual aspect was the past the

2195
01:41:24,979 --> 01:41:21,960
driver side mirror the back of it was

2196
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:24,989
completely busted up the mirror was

2197
01:41:31,550 --> 01:41:29,130
intact and it was dangling by to the two

2198
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:31,560
wires I picked it up and I noticed the a

2199
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:33,960
pillar of the car which is the strongest

2200
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:35,730
part of the car it's like a roll cage

2201
01:41:40,190 --> 01:41:38,130
and an indication eight inches long at

2202
01:41:42,260 --> 01:41:40,200
about 1/4 inch deep and that would have

2203
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:42,270
been directly where this thing would

2204
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:43,530
have flipped over and hit it

2205
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:48,690
so you hit plastic indenting metal to be

2206
01:41:54,740 --> 01:41:52,800
precise iron steel so what does that you

2207
01:41:57,110 --> 01:41:54,750
take a weaker thing to make damage

2208
01:41:59,959 --> 01:41:57,120
something it has to be velocity to

2209
01:42:03,620 --> 01:41:59,969
create the mass so something moved that

2210
01:42:06,860 --> 01:42:03,630
somehow and crushed it into that a

2211
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:06,870
pillar never cracking or scratching the

2212
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:10,650
glass how absurd is that his jaws are

2213
01:42:16,729 --> 01:42:14,010
well they thought it we know they said

2214
01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:16,739
it would have been a UFO no UFO was seen

2215
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:18,450
but it obviously an energy disbursement

2216
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:20,880
or something that caused that and also

2217
01:42:25,310 --> 01:42:23,010
pushed the car to the Sun or lane there

2218
01:42:27,620 --> 01:42:25,320
is no doubt that something unusual did

2219
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:27,630
take place there was a crucifix made of

2220
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:29,489
steel that was inside the cart was also

2221
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:32,489
moved moved to the I believe it was

2222
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:34,110
moved to the seat so there were some

2223
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:37,890
unusual things she she thought possibly

2224
01:42:42,110 --> 01:42:40,290
was some paranormal event I don't think

2225
01:42:45,650 --> 01:42:42,120
so I think was some strange energies

2226
01:42:48,620 --> 01:42:45,660
charged whether it was a misplace a bit

2227
01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:48,630
of technology that ricocheted down or

2228
01:42:52,820 --> 01:42:50,100
just a fluke of nature

2229
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:52,830
I don't know but no UFOs see well

2230
01:42:57,729 --> 01:42:55,770
interesting you talked about J Allen

2231
01:43:01,490 --> 01:42:57,739
Hynek I just got a minute here in J

2232
01:43:04,820 --> 01:43:01,500
Allen Hynek has been coming up a lot

2233
01:43:06,729 --> 01:43:04,830
lately because of the show a Project

2234
01:43:09,979 --> 01:43:06,739
Blue Book of course I get this message

2235
01:43:12,979 --> 01:43:09,989
yesterday from someone that says in the

2236
01:43:15,170 --> 01:43:12,989
1970s he set up a toll-free UFO Center

2237
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:15,180
with J Allen Hynek and he has lots of

2238
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:16,920
info info to share I'm going to be

2239
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:18,510
giving this guy a call out in Las Vegas

2240
01:43:24,380 --> 01:43:20,760
that should be interesting oh yeah if

2241
01:43:28,220 --> 01:43:24,390
it's true yeah it's true make sure to

2242
01:43:31,220 --> 01:43:28,230
keep me in the loop yeah with Sam it's

2243
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,230
been a pleasure as always always fun

2244
01:43:35,330 --> 01:43:33,600
talking with you and in you have a

2245
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:35,340
pleasure yeah you

2246
01:43:40,189 --> 01:43:36,960
you stay warm out there in the great

2247
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,199
state of Illinois you to all right you

2248
01:43:45,530 --> 01:43:42,480
take care take care all right

2249
01:43:48,740 --> 01:43:45,540
okay everyone so that's it for our

2250
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:48,750
that's it for our show tonight and thank

2251
01:43:52,220 --> 01:43:50,610
you for hanging in there with all the

2252
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:52,230
glitches and everything that we had we

2253
01:43:59,089 --> 01:43:55,110
made it through and next week we have

2254
01:44:00,830 --> 01:43:59,099
Chad Lewis he's a ufologist I had not

2255
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:00,840
heard of him but I read an article about

2256
01:44:05,060 --> 01:44:03,210
him and he will be on the show next week

2257
01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:05,070
so check back then again I'm going to be

2258
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:07,230
on the road so hopefully that will go

2259
01:44:12,379 --> 01:44:09,090
well thanks to everyone that helped out

2260
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,389
with the show also to Alejandro special

2261
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:14,880
thanks for getting me through all the

2262
01:44:20,359 --> 01:44:17,489
bumps that we had and so that's it for

2263
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:20,369
me everyone so remember to keep your